Stevehud

this isn't egging on?

I do not understand. I am totally lost. no one has said you should announce to anyone about your surgery but you keep saying it over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad infinitum! All that is being said is its a lie if a person ( not you understand not you , not you, not you) if a person says something UNTRUE then that statement is a LIE. you keep denying that FACT. so here say what you will after this. Personally I am disgusted by you, disgusted that you do nothing but attack someone over and over because you disagree with how they wish to help people. So say what you wish after this I will not even read it. I would ask that you ignore me and never read or post a thread I have started. I am glad you and greeneyes are so happy bullying people and making things up, but I find it appalling. Have a good life.

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Lipstick lady, since from day one I was never talking to you, why did you pick this fight? Are you so angry with your life that you have to attack me? You baseless attacks are pissing me off and I do not piss off easily. SERIOUSLY you brought transgender people into this? ANd men on Viagra? And artificial insemination? ARE YOU HIGH! Why can you not read this? WHY WHY WHY can you not read when I say this. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO TELL SOMEONE THAT THEY HAD THE SURGERY, I WOULD RATHER they TELL THEM TO MIND THIER OWN BUSINESS , that's the fourth damn time I have posted that statement. I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU DO OR SAY. That's the fifth time I have posted that. Maybe you only understand your own analogies, if so here: If someone asks a couple if they made their kid naturally ( I HAVE NO IDEA WHY SOMEONE WOULD EVER THINK TO ASK THIS ) Would normally reply with silence or "mind your own business>" BTW Men don't hide Viagra, we don't care! To be blunt a hard on is a hard on, and no one asks where it came from. Your argument is as ridiculous as why you attack me! You cannot take the fact that you are not who I was talking to. you poked your head in and refuse to actually read the posts i send. I never said you lie , that you lied or anything like that, but you refuse to let it go, you have to attack me over and over ignoring everything I say. Have you always been a bully? Because you are sure acting like one. I made a generalization and you just assumed somehow I was accusing you. Then when I tell you FIVE TIMES that it had nothing to do with you, you refuse to let it be. Oh and to Greeneyes 604 - Great job egging other people on. You're a credit to instigators everywhere. BTW having WLS does not make you an expert any more than someone having brain surgery becomes a brain surgeon, or someone who beats cancer becomes an oncologist.

people, you're not understanding what we are saying.. no one is saying you have t tell, that's not it at all. were just saying its not honest for YOU to tell someone you lost the weight without mentioning you had help from the surgery. That's all, no one is saying you have to tell people. as a matter of fact I have repeatedly said you should tell nosy people to mind their own business. And I never said I want anyone to counsel people who are on the fence about having surgery. What I said was I would like people to educate the people who do not know better as to what people go through on this surgery so then other people wont have to face that negativity. Lipsticklady I never said you lied, I don't why you made that up. I was never actually talking about or to, you. You jumped in on me.

thank you once again for not paying attention. its amazing how many times you will avoid what I say completely and just attack me. I have said over and over what you do is your business I have never voiced approval or not at your decision, I am simply, stating the definition of the word "LIE" if you don't like it call websters damn dictionary and berate them for not changing it to whatever the heck you wish. I get it you do not share my beliefs in helping educate people about bariatric surgery, fine, no one is forcing you.

look its a simple point, not teling the truth is a lie. period that is the definition of the word. its not omission or partial truth telling etc. if you don't want people to know just tell them its None of their business. its simple. I do not understand why you would rather lie than just not tell the person anything. and I already said one person mentioned a person that would prevent them from getting the time off, which is a great reason not to tell. I agree you don't have to announce it. that's fine great I agree! tell them nothing. that's perfectly respectable to NOT SAY ANYTHING. Maybe I am saying it wrong. do whatever you wish. its your right I have never denied it. but I have been castigated for saying that not telling the truth, is a lie. The reason behind the lie is your business, Im not disputing that, do whatever you want I have no say in it. My personal opinion is that I want to remove the false belief that the surgery is cheating or a failure, and instead show people what it really takes, so that other people who come after will have their choices made easier. Why is it so bad that I would like to see the bias against the surgery be eradicated?

i added my stats as ell as posted them.

ok what i found is called vaser lipo or vaser something they use a local and they use a vaser ultrasound that heats up and kills and liquifies mos of the fat cells, aand it gets sucked out through a small hole, no stitches neeed and your awake the whole ime. it looks amazing i have no idea the cost.

You can do it. You are stronger than you think. I have faith in you. You have come this far along your journey, you can do it.

just a thought maybe you are having trouble taste wise with the Water, have you tried distilled water? you can get it at drug stores etc.its nothing but hydrogen and oxygen, no minerals no nothin. and it is completely tasteless. dunno if it will help.

First Tashabella, i was never attacking you i asked if someone denies they have had surgery doesnt that put them in denial. I wasnt saying you did that i was asking the question in response to what you said aboout denial. thats all. Baseball mama I never said I want to save the world that phrase was used as a way to insult me since i want to help other people know what overwight/obese/fat/ whatever word you want to use, people go through with these surgeries. for some reason because i said that if someone asks you how you lost the weight and you do not mention the surgery then its a lie. and some people say its not a lie because its not their business, if it isnt their business then say "none of your business" thats not a lie then. But if you say oh i did it through diet and exercise, you are lying. the surgery is a part of it, and I wished that people instead of hiding it, would embrace it and educate people to show them all the things that you must go through. Yes I want to help people, I have a blog where I a currently being very frank about thing I am going through and have gone through. I along with video taste tests of powders, mixes and ready made drinks etc. I am doing this blog because I am compiling this blog into an ebook, and 1 year post surgery I will release it for free to help men especially overcome the fears and societies bias against the surgery. No I have not had my surgery yet, I am preop sleeve in the pre op diet phase, my weigh in is next Thursday with my surgeon at St Elizabeths hospital in boston mass, at that time as long as i meet my weight goal, ( i had to lose 18 im down 23 as of today. ) my psych eval is done and is fine, my nutritionist has passed me as well. so on Thursday we make my date for surgery, we are rushing it as my benefits maybe changing at the end of the year due to company changing hands, so our target is 2nd or 3rd week of December. I have done tons of research, and knew the lap band would not work for me and i was reluctant to go full bypass, the sleeve is almost made for me in its design. I have been on shakes for Breakfast and lunch with pretty much a salad with extra Protein in it and no sugar in my diet or as litlte as possible for 3 weeks now. I hope that answerrs that i sdidnt want to say pre op on my profile because it asks for a date, and i wont have that until thursday. if you wish to know my pre diet weight was 361 pounds i was at 338 today. AT my heaviest i weighed 408 and that was my wake up call. Since then ive had my gll bladder out, my shoulder rebuilt, my knees are shot i have a herniated disc in my back l5-l6 and venous insufficiency in my lower legs. along with chronic pneumonia, sleep apnea and asthma. oh and narcolepsy. Hopefully that tells you all about me. my blog if you wish to find out even more is at http://cuttingthefatwithaknife.blogspot.com

One question Tashabella, if you deny the surgery, doesn't that mean you're in denial? it's kind of the root word and all.

your power?? what the heck are you talking about? Again NO ONE ASKED YOU TO DO ANYTHING! you thin I want the spotlight? I think you've been blinded by it. No one wants anything from you! My, as in me, not you , the opposite if you, my wish is that people would educate others on what it takes to go through this surgery so that they will better understand what people go through, and by doing so make it easier for others to make their decision about the surgery rather than DIE! and you have a PROBLEM WITH THAT? Fine I will revise my statement, EVERYBODY ON THIS THREAD PLEASE READ THIS. I Steven Hudson, WISH that everyone who is asked about the surgery would be able to educate briefly people about what you and others have to go through, so that they may better understand you and others. That is EVERYBODY EXCEPT GreenEyes604. OK are we done now.

No one else can be judgemental about your surgery, since they don't know about it....nah cant be that.

sorry i have to do one more brief one. WHo am I to save the world? We all should save the world, if not us the who? you see any other species doing it? Somehow it's bad that I want to help other people so they don't go through all the things fat people go through? You dont want to help, c'est la vie. I want to help and I will, and to use your words, Greeneyes, who am i to save the world...I am someone who doesnt want people to live in a world of being fat. Who are you?

I had this big response prepared, but then i realized this said it best. Denial, aint just a river in Egypt, now is it.

is it you cant stop spitting or youre spitting because you are building up a lot of saliva?

im kind of worried that you dont seem to have any guides or plans. that scares me. most people ive seen dont hit the puree stage until later than where you are at. Can you give us an idea of what it is you are eating and drinking? Im praying you weren't drinking like Protein shakes for weight lifters instead of diet ones. Heck my plan calls for three to 4 weeks of liquids before i would even hit the puree stage.

it's interesting in that my surgeon for my upcoming sleeve, has told me he stopped doing lap bands about 8 months ago because they just don't work effectively and too many have to be removed. I wonder how many more surgeons are facing this realization and how much longer they will be used.

I don't think anyone would deny there can be good reasons to hide it, the nosy boss who won't give you time off, of course that makes sense. But it is not comparable to having "female surgery" it is not in the same realm at all. As i said before and a lot of people here are admitting it. People are hiding the surgery because they do not want people to think they did not have to work at weight loss and it was all the surgeries doing. SO they want people to think they did it all by themselves with no help. I am very sorry ladies, but that is a lie and a cop out because it means you are simply reinforcing the belief that the surgery does it all and you do nothing. To say that you are worried people will talk about you behind your back that you had surgery! OOH, first off. who cares? people will talk about anything. the kind of person who will talk about you in that way is not going to suddenly start talking about how wonderful you are because they think you did it without some help. The biggest part of this is going to piss people off. I will bet you people talk about you now. And that they have for years. Not those same people, but people in general see you and think look at the fat lady or fat guy. they don't say hmm there's someone struggling with being overweight. No, unless they have been there and even worse if they are one of the few who did lose it on their own, they are WOSE!, its like an ex-smoker they are pains to smoker, I know i'm an ex-smoker, (15 years ago i quit yay) So you have endured years and years of people talking about you behind your back, and people staring, and many more embarrassing things, you made it through that, but cant take it if someone talks about you becoming healthy and fit and wanting live life? No. It doesn't fit. Now as i said obviously telling someone that would jeopardise you having the surgery is obviously a great reason. And even not announcing it, ok i can kind of see it. but yes if you were asked how did you lose the weight and you neve mentioned surgery as a helper, you lied, and you failed an opportunity to educate someone on what really happens. I told peole on my blog and my friends and co workers, what I will have to endure. liquids only, no more than 4oz of food , puree stage, never drinking within 30 mins before or after a meal, no alcohol, no carbonated soda ever, all these things, and once they learned what I had to do, everyone has said wow, i had no idea you had to do this. SO if you take the few moments to educate people, then maybe you will save the next person from going through any kind of ignorant actions from their peers. The reasons I am so passionate is because of the education issue, people actually back out of having surgery at an alarming rate, and the weight issue has become so bad that they now have new terms for obese people, we now have the SUPER obese, and the MEGA obese. People who have to be cut out of their homes, transported on flat bed trucks. Or who just die in their beds. We need to be the people who show that this is necessary, life changing and life giving. It is also because the more people who see me being open to i, then maybe they will pass along some information to someone who may then look into the surgery and keep it going foraward. I have a few friends who are young but weigh over 500+ pounds each, and they are still in that stage where you fool yourself with how big you are. We lose too many people to obesity. We shouldnt have to. to those i have offended..tough, you can take it. I love you all, We all can do this! Http://cuttingthefatwithaknife.blogspot.com

Yeah I had similar issues with a very cheap folding chair at an outdoor concert, and a friend of mine who outweighs me by at least 150 pounds was even worse off.

Lots of great comments, I used this analogy before I'll do it one more time. Basically when people ask why you are having the surgery etc, this is what I say, and it also works as to why I am open about it. If you were a runner and you are out running and your tired and you see a hill coming up, you grin and bear it and push to make it over that hill. Well that hill is like losing our pre op weight loss. Its hard but for the most part we grin and bear it and get through it. If you were out running and you're tired and you come up to the base of a mountain, you would just turn around and run back to where you were. That mountain is our goal weight loss. Professional mountain climbers use Sherpa guides to get them to the summit. Well this surgery is my Sherpa guide. He can't climb it for me, but he can show me the way. My friends , co-workers and supporters are my climbing gear they help me make the climb. I still have to do the work to get to the top.

I do love this topic so I will chime in. some people will take it personally but anyway. First off here is a great idea, lets stop calling it WLS or weight loss surgery. the surgery does not lose weight you do! if you have a knew replaced its called knee replacement surgery, not im running surgery. if we can stop calling it weight loss surgery and instead call it bariatric surgery, maybe just maybe people will stop hiding it. I know why people hide it, and whether they want to be honest with themselves or not is fine with me. It's your own mental well being that makes you want to do it that way. The man who said he was open because he wanted validation, well guess what, that is the same reason why people hide the surgery, they believe if they do the work, the surgery will get the credit if they tell people. So they don't tell people, then they feel they are the ones getting the credit for the weight loss. When indeed you should be anyway!

ok first off, please do not tell people to use sugar, yes sugar are you an idiot? why not just tell em to eat friggin donuts after surgery. Honey is SUGAR, DUH, Xylitol, and Erithritol are the exact same as sorbitol they are all SUGAR ALCOHOLS, they still contain sugar but they have a lower glycemic swing, they're good for diabetics but NOT for weight loss! also in any quantity they make you poop your brains out. acesulfame potassium is NOT related to aspartame in any way shape or form! however in many products some manufacturers will pair it with other sweeteners, so just read the label. Seriously people , you want to know why people fail , BAD ADVICE! adding vanilla to your drinks, well vanilla is sugar and alcohol. I mean do people bother to think ? Im sorry also to say artificial sweeteners should be avoided at all costs huh, how about the cost of being obese and dying horribly, of being non mobile and losing your limbs finger and toes to diabetes? is that a high enough cost? I eamn to tell people who are just out of surgery to add fruit...where did you get your surgerons degree or your nutritionist degree? Heres a real FACT. HAVING BARAITRIC SURGERY DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT IN IT. Get over yourselves.