ChelceyA

 

 

yeah, that's why they are all still practicing....

 

thought you were done with this thread?

Dr. Kuri has been arrested by the federales.  Dr. Huacuz has been RE-arrested (the first time it was for a botched plastic surgery he did, this time it is for his bariatric lack of skills.)  And a 3rd surgeon, a plastic surgeon has been arrested.

 

Dr. Almanza had 2 recovery homes shut down by the federales due to a fatality and illegal drugs.

 

You really need to open a fogging book, do a google search, know what you speak of before typing or you continue to show your agenda and lack of basic knowledge.

 

As soon as I figure out how to close this account, I will stop posting, I assure you.

i know of Dr. Kuri and Dr. Almanza's arrests....thanks though! Good luck with what you are trying to do. I just don't think it will amount to anything....correct me if I'm wrong, they are still practicing no...anyway, whatever...I have no agenda....I'm done!

To my knowledge Kuri and Huacuz have not been to trial yet.  I am unaware of Almanza being arrested, just that his recovery homes were shut down.  The plastic surgeon has been to trial and he is in prison now.  

Another bariatric surgeon (not in TJ) is also in prison, actually... 7 of them are.  Not all bariatric surgeons though, for organ trafficking.  

In the US their med mal pays out, in Mexico they go to prison AND their med mal pays.

yeah, that's why they are all still practicing....

 

thought you were done with this thread?

Dr. Kuri has been arrested by the federales.  Dr. Huacuz has been RE-arrested (the first time it was for a botched plastic surgery he did, this time it is for his bariatric lack of skills.)  And a 3rd surgeon, a plastic surgeon has been arrested.

Dr. Almanza had 2 recovery homes shut down by the federales due to a fatality and illegal drugs.

You really need to open a fogging book, do a google search, know what you speak of before typing or you continue to show your agenda and lack of basic knowledge.

As soon as I figure out how to close this account, I will stop posting, I assure you.

then you might as well "go after" all the other surgeons in that price range in Tijuana....funny how it's only Dr. Illan you're after

Honey, I have gone toe to toe with MANY TJ surgeons.  Know what you speak of before you open your mouth.

How the heck to I close this account???

I have what I need.  I 

 

 

Howdy. I am a long-time team illan poster, and I've referred two other people to him. For what it's worth, Omar was helpful to us, though I do think these stories are gross.
At any rate, I am concerned about the post saying that Dr. Illan cuts corners for surgery. I am not being snarky at all; I would genuinely like to know if this is true and if I should be concerned. He seemed very thorough in discussing his technique, supplies, etc., but are you aware of anything different?

 
You have to get down to basics.  How much does it cost the surgeon to do a surgery.  The cost of staples alone is astonishing.  The cost of the hospital, the cost of paid and trained staff.. you can't do it for $3500.  It is impossible. Surgeons that do cheap surgery tend to use black market supplies, veterinary equipment from China, etc.
 
You get what you pay for, that is the bottom line.  You want cheap surgery?  You take risks.  We are talking common sense here.

Yes, I had read about the staple expense thing, so I did ask about the brand, etc. and asked about it locally (I work in healthcare consulting.) My surgery was $4500, which yes, was cheap. My local quote was over 18k. I'm no groupie and definitely am not looking to add any more drama to the fire, I just wanted to know if you had specific examples of cut corners so that I could talk to dr illan and my pcp to see if I should be worried.

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Now..... do you honestly believe a surgeon using veterinary supplies or black market supplies will come clean with you? Seriously?

I am through with this thread. I am through with this site.  I have never seen such sheer ignorance in my life.

I have what I need.  I *am* going to follow through with formal complaints to the proper authorities regardless of Susan's PMs to me.  I know that I have the knowledge of how to do this so I will.

If you go to Illan just know, you are looking for cheap surgery.  Not safe surgery.

Chelcey, You said I  have no shame to down basic care.  Perhaps you don't understand basic English.   I am downing a predator/convicted felon/frontman at a Mexican clinic.

 

My dear, I am not an ass so I do not have to stop being one.  I am concerned about women being taken advantage of by a con man who is probably spreading disease, and the doctor who allows it.   

 

I will continue to read and maybe post because I care about people.  

I do believe you have forgotten your own words.  You claim those who go to Mexico are just trying to save a few bucks.  Most people in the US have no bariatric insurance.  They either go to Mexico or they sit at home and die of obesity.

I would caution you to be careful when you choose your words.  You have done this repeatedly lately.

Howdy. I am a long-time team illan poster, and I've referred two other people to him. For what it's worth, Omar was helpful to us, though I do think these stories are gross.

At any rate, I am concerned about the post saying that Dr. Illan cuts corners for surgery. I am not being snarky at all; I would genuinely like to know if this is true and if I should be concerned. He seemed very thorough in discussing his technique, supplies, etc., but are you aware of anything different?

You have to get down to basics. How much does it cost the surgeon to do a surgery. The cost of staples alone is astonishing. The cost of the hospital, the cost of paid and trained staff.. you can't do it for $3500. It is impossible. Surgeons that do cheap surgery tend to use black market supplies, veterinary equipment from China, etc.

You get what you pay for, that is the bottom line. You want cheap surgery? You take risks. We are talking common sense here.

All ive been told is that bariatric surgeons should have one or more of the following...

FRACS, FASMBD, FICS, SAGES, FACS after their name. Dr Illan has MD which in NZ means he is only a medical doctor. Basic surgeries only.

Shall we discuss affiliations? Board certification means someone passed a test in their field of specialty. I find it nothing less than amusing that nobody has brought of the fact that Mexico has board certification in bariatrics and is Dr. Illan board certified? Why no, he is not. If your Mexican surgeon is not board certified in bariatrics, do not go to him. It's really basic common sense. Something that is clearly lacking in this thread. Who would want to be a bariatric surgeon and not board certified? I'll tell you who. Someone who has yet been able to pass the darn test!

FACS Fellow, American College of Surgeons

FRACS Fellow of Royal Australasian College of Surgeons

FASMBD. Couldn't find this

FICS Fellow of the International College of Surgeons

SAGES Society of American Gastrointestinal and Endoscopic Surgeons (Los Angeles, CA)

Some doctors won't list all their associations. You may need to ask.

I know that these organizations' names sound impressive.

But they are not certifying or licensing organizations. Instead, they are professional associations -- which doctors may elect to join or not. Yes, they sound lovely -- and I'm sure they do add value. However, having these letters after your name mostly means you enjoy socializing with other doctors, that you may have (little p) political aspirations within your profession, and that you and your spouse would like to take a tax-deductible vacation annually at wherever these organizations hold their annual convention.

Again, I'm not dis'ing the organizations. But doctors join them voluntarily. They are not mandatory in any way. Nor are they required by any medical licensing organization. They are professional / social organizations.

These organizations are similar to the American Bar Association (for lawyers), the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (for CPAs), and the American Institute of Architects (for architects).

Board certified is the exception to the rule.

Fellow of the American Board of Medical Specialties.

So it's more than just letters or a social organization, it actually does require some kind of evaluation to be able to use this title. (edited to credit Wikipedia for the above information. I found similar on other websites, but the explanation was more consolidated here)

Are the letters required to preform surgery?

To "preform" surgery? No. to "preform" safe surgery, yes.

Okay, I'm just going to say it as it is...

Dudes... and by that I mean those that are the fundamentalist supporters?

You're all Morons...

No, seriously, you are.

If you cannot grasp the basic tenets of what has been said.... and really absorb, understand and answer all the charges laid (which were not against you, initially), then frankly, I'm back to the 'moron' comparison.

You make me want to bash my head against a wall, because whether or not you realise it? You're behaving like a gaggle of witches.

What I'd like to know, is what, exactly, has this man got on you? Naked photos? Film footage? I cannot believe that rationally minded human beings would behave this way - unless, the accused, has something that would blow your lives apart.....

Wanna have a chat about that?

Groupies have no need, they just are. They typically have unhealthy relationships in all aspects of their lives.

And all of a sudden you newbies appear and seem to know more than I know in many many months here? I just worry about a predator with God know what STDs who preys on vulnerable women who go to MX to save a few bucks. The ranters for Omar are either related to him, involved with him, or have something to gain.

Yeah, I have to call you on this one. The economy is bad in case you haven't noticed. Many go to Mexico for very safe surgery so they might have a chance to live their lives. Shame on you for downing basic medical care.

Susan, can you take this to a private forum for discussion? I am nauseated by stupidity. The same thing can be accomplished by weeding out the Jim Jones Koolaid mentality/Omar love groupies.

Perhaps you are unaware, you can choose not to open and read an 80 page thread. Shocking! I know!

I have been reading this thread from the beginning .. I'm not new , I didn't have surgery in Mexico.. All this fighting is crazy... All that matters is that people know to be careful of Omar's advances and not to fall into a relationship with him either .. I don't believe Susan or anyone ever said "dont go to dr illan" ?? If you want to go then go. He seems like a good surgeon.. Just go with the knowledge of Omar's antics. Simple as that .. That's what this post is for .. A warning about Omar. Yes if Dr Illan knows this information it's kind of sad on his part , but that doesn't affect his operating skills!!!

Okay. I'll write it. Don't go to Dr. Illan. He's a cheap ass surgeon in a crap and dangerous city who cuts corners to make for... cheap ass surgery. Seriously, you don't question how he cuts corners to make cheap surgery? Really?

I agree. An employer is responsible for whom he employs, and in MX maybe there is no accountability. I will not try to save $ by going to MX, I would rather eat grass.

Feel free to graze, hundreds of thousands of people to go Mexico for medical and dental care ANNUALLY. If you had a choice to go to a good surgeon in MX or die, what would you choose? Seriously, stop being an ass. It doesn't look good on you.

I will not give names. I have talked with another surgeon who has FACS next to his name.

Oh okay I thought it was based on fact. I checked and every surgeon listed with Kaiser WLA had MD after their name. Maybe its different in other places or locations. I guess that is a good selling point for surgeons if you have to solicit patients.

Seriously? You really don't get it? MD means they graduated from college. The rest are affiliations. I would damn sure hope Kaiser surgeons graduated from college.

GAWD!

I continue to find it astonishing, sad and shocking what levels the Omar worshippers will stoop to simply because they believe is something did not happen to them, it could not possibly happen to anyone else. It just continues to reinforce the level of influence and power he has over these woman. It is scary and cult-like behavior.

Bingo!

May you all (and by 'all', I mean the Cabal of individuals who would seem to be 'fundamentalists' when it comes to the Baja clinic and their coordinating staff), be THOROUGHLY ashamed of yourselves.

You leave me agog at your actions.

If anyone needs any legal counsel as to potential options (albeit I'm not American, don't specialise in the laws of the internet (but have friends that do) and am not state-specific - although it wouldn't take me long to work out your statutes and the laws of the internet are fairly transnational anyway), I would be happy to provide any help or assistance I can.

US Citizen? Whitney? Wow.. tread carefully now.. I do believe you have found the line and stepped WAY over it.

I really really like you.

In the Facebook security settings, you will find a list of active sessions and where exactly these active sessions are taking place. She did it, she hacked my FB and created a fake profile of me. What she did is criminal and as far as threats go, she sent me a message telling me that I have no idea what she is capable of. I did not ever say that any of the fans girls, were responsible for the copies of texts that she used, I simply stated that she was coached. You figure it out!

Read loud and clear. I absolutely double dawg DARE her to do that to me. Go ahead, darlen... I'm waiting.

@@Susan Lackey. We're still waiting for truthful answers regarding these questions about the events that may or may not have been associated with your series of "warnings" to direct people away from medical groups in Mexico. It's very unclear which doctors you may have accused over the last two years and your the nature of your association with these professionals. Some doctors you are claiming not to have accused have lost business due to these "warnings."

I was advised today, on another forum, that people avoided Dr. Kelly due to your accusations, but I understand now that you didn't mean to accuse him. Is this true?

Are you asserting that you do not have a personal relationship with one of the founding members of this website? Is that relationship predatory? Could such a relationship be considered predatory since you are a patient, as well? If I were he, I'd stay well away from someone with such a long list of accusations.

Do you mean that you did not work for a competing doctor at the time of the "discovery" of the first incident? Do you mean that you referred many patients to the doctor for whom a patient died? Are you certain that you didn't take issue with the death of that patient until AFTER you were dismissed from employment?

Didn't you seek medical treatment from the doctor to whom you referred patients but now discredit? Didn't you, in fact, seek medical treatment in Tijuana AFTER you posted that it was extremely dangerous to do so?

Are you sure you didn't "find out" about a personal relationship of Omar's IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING being denied for medical treatment by one of the medical teams you've accused? Could it be possible that this denial comes, in part, from medical professionals fearing getting involved with someone so inclined toward slander and defamation?

I'm curious as to why, and perhaps you can answer this... Why would women randomly seek you out to confide their deepest secrets if they'd felt victimized? I mean, I'm struggling to understand how it comes to be that a coordinator who is in no way connected to a medical team becomes the personal confidant of SO MANY slighted or victimized patients. Can you tell me how, was it seven you said?, how did these women come to find you to express this very personal experience of feeling "taken advantage of?"

and more recently...

Why do these long time users, these "victims" with whom you've gotten so close, have accounts that don't reflect being long term users of this site? Do you know all 7 of these women personally through another forum or another avenue of life?

I'm still wondering why you answered another person's post in the first person. You can scroll back through the comments, I'm sure if you need to refresh your memory.

Oh for God's sakes! SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Attacking Omar means your attacking Dr Illan. Your all low lifes with nothing better to do. Grow the f**k up. Get a life elsewhere. Dr Illan is a great surgeon. This thread is going to scare so many away...

Yeah, let's chat about Illan. He's a cheap surgeon, he cuts corners to make cheap surgery. He is unsafe... yeah, I wrote it! He is a chit, inexperienced surgeon in a chit city doing cheap surgery.

Shut up for God's sake.

Would you please PM me a link for this information? I am collecting data to turn over to the proper authorities in Mexico and this would help a great deal. I am not good at researching legal issues. Thanks!

Chelsey. You need not do this. I can assure you, this is already being done. I have more information than what has been shared on here.

The more the merrier!

There is a finding checked by the federal court judge in his order concerning Omar which states "the defendant has a significant prior criminal record."   These documents are public record.   In the US, we are lucky to have diligent employers who do background checks.  

Would you please PM me a link for this information?  I am collecting data to turn over to the proper authorities in Mexico and this would help a great deal.  I am not good at researching legal issues.

Thanks!

Okay, here goes nothing.

 

I had surgery with Dr. Illan. I also had a fling with Omar. I have gone back and forth with this for days now trying to figure out which "side" to be on. Truthfully, I am still struggling with that decision.

 

I went to TJ a little nervous and a lot excited about my new life. I never intended to end up liking Omar, but in person, he is so charismatic, very friendly, honestly caring, and extremely well dressed. Once I got out of the hospital and in the hotel, he had me. Hook. Line. Sinker. Here is the deal, I WANTED HIM. I was not forced or coerced. I was not taken advantage of at all. I do not believe he is a predator. I do however believe he is a PLAYER.

 

I saw first hand how women react to him. He is a very typical man. Not an excuse, just a statement of fact. Give me an example of a man who wouldn't enjoy attention, expensive gifts, and women asking him if they can preform oral sex. I am not making an excuse for him!! I am not a team illan groupie. I am not even on Facebook. I am not missing the forest because of the trees. I am not so crazy in love with him that I am blinded by his actions. I agree that he should absolutely NOT be messing around with patients. Not even a tiny bit! However, I do believe that once you leave TJ, you are not considered a patient any longer. If you decide to go back and see Omar, then that is on YOU. If you take him expensive gifts (or cheap gifts) then that is on YOU. If you have intercourse with him then that is on YOU. If you go back to TJ to see another doctor or dentist, then you are not a patient of Baja Bariatrics.

 

YOU just have to realize that Omar is a player. You will not be his first. You will not be his last...no matter what he says. Did you women not date in college? A good man is hard to find. They are very few and far between. Even Dr. Phil said no man is 100% perfect. If you can find one who is 80%, you better hold on, because that is as good as it gets.

 

I am not bad mouthing anyone. I think it is right and fair for everyone to share their opinions. Free country!

 

I think that his past is just that. His past. A lot of you don't want your past to get in the way of your future. Let it go.

 

Omar is guilty of being a player. A pretty big one. As long as he stops messing with patients while they are patients, then I say go for it big guy.

 

What I am trying to say is, I'm sorry he hurt some of you. I truly am. But come on, did you really think you were going to have a long distance relationship with him? Really?

 

I guess I just decided which "side" I am on. I can't help it. I know how men are. If you want to play the game, you HAVE to be prepared to lose. Either that, or make sure you win. I did. I played a player. And I had soooooooo much fun In the process.

 

Hate the game. Not the player.

Does anyone else wonder if "Thin MAN" or BWhite is really Omar?  if you reread some of these posts it is almost bragging, not defending.

I continue to find it astonishing, sad and shocking what levels the Omar worshippers will stoop to simply because they believe is something did not happen to them, it could not possibly happen to anyone else. It just continues to reinforce the level of influence and power he has over these woman. It is scary and cult-like behavior.

I'm still left scratching my head trying to figure out who is real and who isn't.

So far MXt has wrongly accused Whitney of doing something illegal. Slandering her name in the process. She has described her as criminally insane, threatened and blackmailed her, yet Whitney is in the wrong here and MXt (LL edit) is still a victim. This all makes COMPLETE sense.

 

A judge will laugh in the face of charges at this point.

Sooooo, are you a lawyer or a judge?  Which one?  You speak from a position of formal education on the topic so I was just wondering which is your field of expertise.

Do you all know what your doing? Your ruining the reputation of Dr. Illan. Have you got nothing better to do than b***h and moan? That's a lovely life you have. Now grow some balls or what ever and shut up and grow the hell up!

Give it a Break.  Illan made a fully informed choice to hire a known gang member, felon, with a known history of taking advantage of vulnerable women alone in a strange country for major surgery.  He knew Omar had been fired for this very behavior from another surgeon.  But hey... Omar can get him $$$ so who cares about the patients.  It's the bank account Illan cares about.  He gets what he gets.   I plan to personally see to it that the proper authorities are notified of his business practices.  Don't blame the ladies here, blame ME and I don't even have a dog in this fight.  But I'm going for it anyway.  Someone needs to stop both Illan and Omar from such horrific lack of ethics and I decided I want the job.  Call it self appointed if you wish.

I was advised today, on another forum, that people avoided Dr. Kelly due to your accusations, but I understand now that you didn't mean to accuse him.  Is this true?

Honey, I would urge you to leave Kelly out of this.  Kelly makes Omar look like a saint but that is a topic for another thread.  I would suggest you not 'go' there and instead, keep that tail between your legs and head out as you have repeatedly promised.  You have already clearly demonstrated that you are in so far over your head people point and giggle when referring to you.  You do more for the Susan supporters than you do your best booty call partner, Omar.  You have done him so much harm I was even wondering if these are people posting in support of Omar when really they are trying to harm him but I rethought that.  You simply are not intelligent enough to pull it off.  You really are an Omar groupie.

You have made many accusations but you have been completely and totally unable to defend those accusations.  That is because you are a liar.  A dishonest, booty call partner, liar.  You have outed yourself, shamed yourself, harmed your buddy Omar and due to social challenges you don't even see it.  HA!  You do make me smile when I read your rantings.

Attacking Omar means your attacking Dr Illan. Your all low lifes with nothing better to do. Grow the f**k up. Get a life elsewhere. Dr Illan is a great surgeon. This thread is going to scare so many away...

So what?  Your point?  What you are suggesting here is that not only is Omar exempt from basic Medical Ethics, so is Illan. Guess what?  He's not exempt, neither of them are.  That is a reality you will have to deal with.

May you need a surgery to correct your head cause you aint right in the head. Omar was fine until early this year. So maybe do your research PROPERLY. as someone has told me. Dont we all have a past? Past is a past for a f**king reason. You dont bring past into present and future.

Damn sure you do!  When it comes to Medical Ethics it most certainly DOES matter and your worship of those involved do not change reality.

But I would think people who travel to MX to have surgeries would have been prepared for avoiding the seduction part. 

But you wouldn't be suspicious of a US surgeon?  Honey, you might not want to have anymore surgery of any type anywhere.  You are too naive.

I never fail to be amazed at the naivety of people when it comes to doctors anywhere.

@@ChelceyA

I did return back to Tijuana. Three times. I also have tickets already booked to go back.

Also, Omar did not violate any medical ethics. Once again, I wasn't a patient.

I began liking him when I checked into the hotel, but he never tried anything with me, and nothing happened between us until I went back two weeks later.

 

@@VSGAnn2014

I was never under the influence of any drug legal or otherwise when I made my choices.

 

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I completely agree with you. I just wanted to get my story out there, so everyone would know that the same things happened to me and I take full responsibility for my actions and decisions.

 

@@*susan*

Best of luck with the BBQ!

 

 

Just try and remember...

There are TWO sides to every story.

Darl'en, get your quotes straight.  I never wrote any such comment.  I have never met Omar nor do I have any desire to.

As for both sides of the story, is this what you wrote?

~~Once I got out of the hospital and in the hotel, he had me. Hook. Line. Sinker. ~~

I will ask you again, if Omar is to be excused for practicing the most basic of Medical Ethics so you could get a booty call, what other Medical Ethics should he be excused from?  You know, the same ethics as every other MD or office staff?  Why should he be excused and permitted to ditch all common sense and basic Medical Ethics yet others need to follow them?

However, I thank you for the story so we have more to add to the list when a report is submitted to the proper authorities. The more the better, right?

If you look up his convictions, the only conviction he has is that he is an illegal that was trying to stay with his family in the US. He was convicted of felony charges for being an illegal in 2006/2007. He served his time and has been in Mexico ever since. Everyone on this board should judge him based on that. There is nothing more to these accusations.

 

The "groupies", "current women of the month", "passioned patients", "fanclub" should be done with this thread. Everything they say is being discounted, bashed and bullied by people that are incapable of seeking the actual truth and believing no name supposed women that very easily and recently created profiles just to stir the pot for this website's profit.

Sorry, I don't believe this.  Merely being in the country illegally is not something they put you in prison for and call you a felon.  Are you sure his GANG affiliations had nothing to do with his prison time?  The taxpayers have paid dearly for him, I hope he rots in Mexico.

Okay, here goes nothing.

 

I had surgery with Dr. Illan. I also had a fling with Omar. I have gone back and forth with this for days now trying to figure out which "side" to be on. Truthfully, I am still struggling with that decision.

 

I went to TJ a little nervous and a lot excited about my new life. I never intended to end up liking Omar, but in person, he is so charismatic, very friendly, honestly caring, and extremely well dressed. Once I got out of the hospital and in the hotel, he had me. Hook. Line. Sinker. Here is the deal, I WANTED HIM. I was not forced or coerced. I was not taken advantage of at all. I do not believe he is a predator. I do however believe he is a PLAYER.

 

I saw first hand how women react to him. He is a very typical man. Not an excuse, just a statement of fact. Give me an example of a man who wouldn't enjoy attention, expensive gifts, and women asking him if they can preform oral sex. I am not making an excuse for him!! I am not a team illan groupie. I am not even on Facebook. I am not missing the forest because of the trees. I am not so crazy in love with him that I am blinded by his actions. I agree that he should absolutely NOT be messing around with patients. Not even a tiny bit! However, I do believe that once you leave TJ, you are not considered a patient any longer. If you decide to go back and see Omar, then that is on YOU. If you take him expensive gifts (or cheap gifts) then that is on YOU. If you have intercourse with him then that is on YOU. If you go back to TJ to see another doctor or dentist, then you are not a patient of Baja Bariatrics.

 

YOU just have to realize that Omar is a player. You will not be his first. You will not be his last...no matter what he says. Did you women not date in college? A good man is hard to find. They are very few and far between. Even Dr. Phil said no man is 100% perfect. If you can find one who is 80%, you better hold on, because that is as good as it gets.

 

I am not bad mouthing anyone. I think it is right and fair for everyone to share their opinions. Free country!

 

I think that his past is just that. His past. A lot of you don't want your past to get in the way of your future. Let it go.

 

Omar is guilty of being a player. A pretty big one. As long as he stops messing with patients while they are patients, then I say go for it big guy.

 

What I am trying to say is, I'm sorry he hurt some of you. I truly am. But come on, did you really think you were going to have a long distance relationship with him? Really?

 

I guess I just decided which "side" I am on. I can't help it. I know how men are. If you want to play the game, you HAVE to be prepared to lose. Either that, or make sure you win. I did. I played a player. And I had soooooooo much fun In the process.

 

Hate the game. Not the player.

You were in a hotel in TJ after surgery so you were a patient.  It's not like you went to TJ to visit him, you were a patient.

Question for you, what other Medical Ethics are okay for Omar to disregard?  I mean, the rules don't apply to him so what else shall we excuse regarding Omar's behavior?  It doesn't matter one single itty bitty iota if you were willing or not.  It changes nothing.  HE should have had enough respect for you and his job to keep his penis where it belonged.  But he doesn't, he doesn't respect anything or anyone.  Honestly, the more I read the more disgusted I am with Illan.  I came here without strong opinions of Illan one way or another.  I have very strong opinions now.  Now I am just becoming angry.

Sorry, your defense of Omar is to hate the game, not the player.  You honestly don't understand the seriousness of this.  I actually don't hate the game, to each his own.  The player, he needs to be dealt with by Illan or I am pretty sure people are left with going after Illan.

VSGAnn2014 and Shellief,

 

Thank you for your support. It was not easy reading all the posts. It was not easy trying to decide if I had been "played" or not. I did a lot of thinking and a lot of praying, and a lot of discussing it with my bff and with Omar.

 

I had to come to the realization that I am a big girl and I am ultimately in control of my decisions. Just like every other adult on this site. We can blame Omar all we want. I really wanted to. I did. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized I am just in it to have fun. Nothing more. So why not go back and forth to TJ to see him and take him nice things? I can afford it!!

 

He said nice things to me. He paid extra attention to me. He didn't drug me or force me to do anything. Ladies, he is a full blown player. Either deal with it or don't play the freaking game. It is YOUR choice.

It shouldn't even be your choice.  That's what you don't get.  MEDICAL ETHICS!  It's something that matters to the rest of the world.  Omar shouldn't even have given you the opportunity.

Honestly, this isn't rocket science.

People who are considering having surgery with Dr Illam have a right to know his coordinator is a felon. It brings into question the wisdom and clarity of thought he uses to run his practice. For some it may make no difference at all. For me, I would never use a doctor who employes a felon.

Bingo! Medical Ethics does not just apply to the doctor, it applies to the entire staff. The doctor is merely responsible in the end. I think it is clear that the doctor is aware of this behavior and he's doing nothing about it. You can like him as a surgeon, heck, you can credit him for your own hard work in losing weight. It does not make it right to allow this to continue when you ladies have the power to do something about it. Put the screws to Illan to fix this problem! Be the solution, not the problem.

I would hope ALL these women file formal ethics charges for these behaviors. If not, you are only helping him to continue the behavior. So far the women I have seen that are telling their stories are taking partial responsibility for their own actions in these incidents. Being a responsible adult means fixing our past errors, not pretending like it didn't happen.

Let's see what Illan is *really* all about. Prove to us that he actually cares about patients. Do something or acknowledge you don't care what your doc is made up of.

As for you, Maestrita- Put up or finally shut up and go away. If you can defend your own claims, by all means! Do so! Susan answered your questions, now pay up hunny. It's your turn. If you do not we can know you are totally unable to do so. And btw, Latin Lover is NOT NOT NOT a racial slur. I work with a ton of Latino men. I swear to God, the next 10 guys I see I am flat out going to ask them, is "Latin Lover" a racial slur or a compliment? We will let THEM decide.

BTW, what are you? I am about ready to come up with a racial slur for you but I don't know what you are. White? Mexican? Italian? Or just overall gang groupie with benefits?

I still do not know what anyone sees in Omar. First we have his silly name, then we have his photo. I swear, he had to use drugs or something to seduce these woman. Seriously, eww. A vulnerable patient chasing, convicted felon, (apparently) still wanted in the US, an illegal alien, and proud founder of a Latino gang. Good grief. What a disgusting POS. Not only did the taxpayers have to pay his undeserved education (and likely food/medical as well) but we had to pay for his crimes and prison time. What a treat for the US.

Bleh.

Let's DO something about this. We can talk about it for another month and that will do nothing. Let's DO something about it.

 

 

 

I am among the 100s of Baja Bariatrics patients who had a positive, uneventful experience. I never like to see any person (male or female) get hurt in romance and I feel for these women who are hurting.

 

That being said, I would like to point out that a not insignificant number of women end up with "vacation" type energy surrounding their trips to Mexico and some even travel together in small "girls' trip" type groups.. Many are getting pedicures, arranging child care, setting aside spending money and generally getting out of their home area codes for the first time in MANY years in conjunction with getting Sleeved. Add to that the giddiness, exhilaration and boost in self-esteem that many experience as a result of dropping significant pre-op weight and (in some instances) Mexican VSG patients can be a pretty lively, devil-may-care, bawdy, flirtatious bunch (complete with "Cougar" jokes, sparring over who has the cutest doctor, having fun flirting, etc.). I went to TJ twice and cringed a bit when I saw ladies calling one of the young docs "Dr. Hottie" and vaguely coming on to him, lol (i was worried HE would be filing a complaint!).

 

 

 

rhw ... 

 

I know you meant to delete that post draft above.  But I'm glad it came through.  I found it helpful in better understanding the Mexican bariatric surgery scene.

 

I know you weren't describing everyone who goes to Mexico for bariatric surgery, but your draft post helped me understand better the viewpoints of those who defend The Fabulous Omar so vociferously.  

 

For the record, I never would have imagined anyone would treat weight loss surgery (or any kind of surgery) as a Club Med vacation.  

 

Live and learn.  

VSG Ann... I have to call BS here!  What you have been told is utter nonsense.  Have there ever been women who did that? I'd imagine so.  Is that the norm?  Heaven's no!  If you are going to Mexico with your best friend and you are both having surgery, might you go to a mall to see what a Mexican mall is like?  Of course, but that is the norm, not as described to you.  I question how much time the odd author really spent in Mexico and just who the heck she was hanging with.  It's not regular people.  Most of us went, we were afraid, nervous, excited, we didn't really know what to expect.  THAT is the norm. I went to a mall, I had the time, I felt up to it, I wanted to see a Mexican mall.  Period.  Most of us are like that, certainly not as you were told.  That was to justify Omar's behavior as something the women wanted, damn sure not reality.

Chelcy, That was a direct response to the assertion that I'd been involved with Omar.  Surely I don't have to be accused without being able to deny the allegation. 

 

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This has really deteriorated into silliness at this point.  I think I've contributed what I can.  I understand that you-all think that Omar did something wrong.  Many of us think that Susan is a really bad person.  People can read the backgrounds and make their own decisions.  I think I've brought all I can to this discussion, and I find myself almost sinking to the level of this discourse.  With that, I'm going to bow out.  I came here with good intentions, and even if I think you're wrong, I wish you happiness and good health. 

You are absolutely free to deny anything you wish, but anyone that goes to the extremes to defend such a man is more than just a friend.  Infatuation?  A groupie?  A booty call partner?  Not sure.  I just know damned weird when I see it.

While I would prefer you continue posting on the topic because you are proving more and more the dynamics that go along with Omar and his (ahem) "friends" I think it is best in your case to just back off and not help him anymore if he is honestly your friend.

Com'on, let's face it.  You are in over your head.  You are being called on your behaviors, you are being asked to defend your own claims.  You know as well as the rest of us you can't do that.  So just put your tail between your legs and move on before you shame yourself more than you have...  not to mention outing yourself as you have.

For the record, I don't have any interest in Omar romantically.  He is a friend. 

 

One way people try to discredit a woman when they don't have a valid complaint is to attack her reputation as a chaste person.  I'm glad that we've rounded out the full spectrum of discriminatory language in one thread (Oh, wait, I think we're missing a direct racial slur).  Keeping it classy.

Projection and redirection.

Keep it coming, so many women have been verbally abused on this thread we need your posting.  You are serving a good purpose.  You don't see it but, you are.  You are doing more for their cause than Omar's.

Please, continue!

I don't believe that there are a lot of people making these claims, and I don't think you have to be very clever to figure that out.  I believe Susan and one other woman who is a former patient of Dr. Illan's (who, I understand, did date him after her surgery) have fabricated most of this.  Aside from watching Susan do this twice before now (there are allegations that it's happened a third time), there are problems with the credibility of this story. 

 

The tone of this story and the "supporting evidence" takes the same shape, rhetorical pattern, and writer's voice as her past campaigns.  Funny how witnesses here use the same exact phrases that they used in the last campaign.  Durp!  Maybe I've just noticed that sort of thing because I've graded so many papers in my life.

 

Another thing that stands out to me is how new these women are to this forum.  They knew Susan for years on this website, enough to confide their deepest secrets (for which she was not fishing, mind you), but their profiles have like 7 posts?  I find that part curious.  I noticed that same thing when Dr. Kelly was slandered on this website.  Isn't it more likely that these are created just for this purpose?

 

I said I am a friend and former patient of Omar and the other members of Team Illan.  Omar has been very open about changing his life and about his weight loss.  Like I said, you can dig all you want.  My hands are clean.  My interest here is that I don't like seeing people harm others.  Susan is not a nice person for doing this.  It is morally incorrect.

 

Oh, and Linda, about supervising your kids... the feeling is mutual.

Okay.  Fair enough.  Everyone around Omar is dishonest.  Dr. Kelly was dishonest.  All the woman posting here are dishonest.  Susan is dishonest.  But a convicted, gang member, illegal alien, felon is the only one telling the truth.

You do realize, you have zero credibility here, right?  I mean, you can't really expect anyone to take you seriously when you go to this extreme to protect anyone.

Ethics schmethics... it matters not.  Just make Omar look good.  The amusing thing here is that I don't believe you really have a grasp of just how bad you are making Omar look when you go to these extremes.  You do more for Susan's cause than you do Omar's.  You appear to be in this so deep you honestly can't see it.

I was really kidding when I suggested you were another of his booty calls.  Now I know I wasn't really kidding after all.

Let me explain why we defend him.  Many of us know Omar to be a kind and exceptional human being.  He is our friend, as well as one hell of a coordinator.  We know him to be the exact opposite of what's been described here.  When you know a person, it doesn't matter what others can dig up on the internet to scare you (Yes, we know that Omar has changed his life following a series of difficult circumstances and some bad choices when he was younger.  When that didn't get a rise the first time you posted it, you'd have thought you'd move on from the topic.  His charges were actually pretty benign, and wouldn't have been felony charges if he'd been born 50 miles to the north).  This fear campaign only matters to new patients who don't know this team and who just want to change their lives.  Shame on those who would put fear in the hearts of others who are looking to escape obesity.  That is unkind.

 

The people who defend him (most of us know one another) don't believe these accusations, and Susan has had several "be afraid" campaigns to share with people immediately following exchanges where people didn't do what she wants.  She did something similar when I was desperately searching for a surgeon due to some complications with my lapband.  She'd referred me to Dr. Kelly, and then shortly after that was telling people that he'd killed a woman in the OR.  Now, I have asked, and would really like to know, Susan, did you not seek medical treatment from Team Illan less than two months prior to your "concerns?"  Did they not decline to help you out of the concern that you do this sort of smear campaign and have done it several times before to other medical providers?

Maestrita-

Let's get down to bare boned facts here, okay?

Seven women have confided in a person they have known for up to 7 years.  I think that is self explanatory.

If it is not then three women have come forward HERE on THIS thread and told their stories.

I don't want to lose you here, hang in there with me.

Medical Ethics applies to not just the doctor but his staff as well.

What does Omar's Medical Ethics mean to you?

This will likely finalize my communications with you.  Either you will continue to excuse his behaviors or you will be truthful.  But honestly, thus far you merely appear to be another of his booty calls.  Prove me wrong, please.

ETA:  Are you seriously suggesting that all these people are being dishonest and Omar is the *only* truthful person?  For real?

Oh, I totally get you - and agree.. But you kinda missed the point of the post, dear

No, I didn't. I just think this is an important topic and it speaks volumes how much people are defending this felon. I thought the original point was more important.

Me, neither.

 

Maybe it's about age groups and subliminal influence...

 

Anyone remember the 70's?!

 

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I don't think so.  There is more to it than that.

For women to attack other women who are being honest, telling their story, and just stating the facts while totally defending a known felon, convicted felon, illegal alien, gang member, someone unable to cross the border to the US for fear of prison again, someone with absolutely no shred of morality, medical ethics... naw.  Something more is up.

Susan, you may have responded already, but since there have been so many posts, I didn't see a reply.  I'll paste my questions here again.

 

Are you suggesting that ethnic slurs are acceptable when a person feels slighted by others?  Also, I wonder why you responded in the first person to a statement I made to another user of this website.  Hmm.

 

 

 

Are you asserting that you do not have a personal relationship with one of the founding members of this website?  Is that relationship predatory?  Could such a relationship be considered predatory since you are a patient, as well?  If I were he, I'd stay well away from someone with such a long list of accusations.

 

 

 

Do you mean that you did not work for a competing doctor at the time of the "discovery" of the first incident?  Do you mean that you referred many patients to the doctor for whom a patient died?  Are you certain that you didn't take issue with the death of that patient until you were dismissed from employment? 

 

 

 

Didn't you seek medical treatment from the doctor to whom you referred patients?  Didn't you, in fact, seek medical treatment in Tijuana AFTER you posted that it was extremely dangerous to do so?

 

 

 

Are you sure you didn't "find out" about a personal relationship of Omar's immediately following being denied for medical treatment by one of the medical teams you've accused?  Could it be possible that this denial comes, in part, from medical professionals fearing getting involved with someone so inclined toward slander and defamation?

 

 

 

I'm curious as to why, and perhaps you can answer this...  Why would women randomly seek you out to confide their deepest secrets if they'd felt victimized? I mean, I'm struggling to understand how it comes to be that a coordinator who is in no way connected to a medical team becomes the personal confidant of slighted or victimized patients.  Can you tell me how, was it seven you said?, how did these women come to find you to express this very personal experience of feeling "taken advantage of?"

I think it is pretty clear that Omar has a whole heck of a lot of booty call partners here.  I saw a photo of him.  For the life of me I can't figure out what anyone sees in him.

So, you are saying that people who choose not to be offended by such nonsense are looking for a "certain kind of attention"? Snort! Ok.

 

One of my BFFs calls me a be@ner and I don't mind, does that mean I'm looking for a burrito bar, too?

I honestly do not know of a single Latino man that would be offended by the term Latin Lover.  Quite the opposite, they would consider it a compliment! 

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There you go, honey....

Eww.  Just eww.

 

Sure it matters.  It speaks to her credibility.  Also, I don't appreciate the dig at Latinos. 

There was no slur intended...he is of Latin descent, yes? He is having relations with several woman. Yes? I rest my case. I'm sorry if it offended you but im not wrong.

It isn't wrong and it isn't a slam.  I would just ignore her.  Some people insist on being insulted.

Heather, yes, that was my thread about my experience with my surgeon.

 

There is an important message here to be heard.  If you are traveling to Mexico, please be advised there are people who are willing to take advantage of you for their own personal needs.  They understand you are in a very vulnerable state.

Since you single out Mexico it appears you are under the impression this does not happen in any other country, otherwise why single out just one country?  It happens in the US all the time.  Need proof?

I have been following this and I can tell there are alot of personal issues between some of you all.

Having had my surgery in Mexico, I will say there are HUGE differences between our medical systems and theirs. Behavior like this would not be allowed in the United States and Omar would be fired and there could be a lawsuit.

I do think it's a good warning to give people and they can do what they want with it.

Y'all are making this into something much bigger than it needs to be.

It is not tolerated in Mexico either but if nobody reports it, nothing will happen to resolve it.

I am not denying anything. I am simply saying 3 of these woman were fully aware of what was happening and were o.k. with it, until they got dumped! They were not taken advantage of in ANY way.

Do you want me to break out the f**king crayons and draw you pictures?

You really have no grasp of Medical Ethics, do you?

Yes, by all means, ban us, block us, delete almost all of our posts. You have got quite the little system here Alex. You and your little workers can say ANYTHING you want and it's fine. What a power trip!

You are free to start your own page and then you too, can have "power".

.  and also anyone who has had a botched surgery there, has no recourse neither does he against any of us here in the US. Turn about is fair play, but like I said, Omar told me himself about his time in prison, about his deportation and also about the gang he was not only leader of but also the founded of. He wears those suits and long sleeves for a reason, he wouldn't want patients to see his gang related tattoos!

No recourse?  Says who?