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RickM

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  1. RickM

    Chew and spit

    Try chewing on some ice chips, or freeze, or partially freeze your protein drinks, Jello is usually acceptable on a liquid diet - make it with unflavored protein powder, or with a compatible flavored protein drink. Anything that is liquid by the time it hits your stomach is usually OK. If you can, talk to your RD about adding some crunch or chewies to your diet that would be in compliance.
  2. RickM

    Liver scarring

    I am certainly no expert on this (not even an MD!) but what I have learned over the years in this is that obesity is one major factor in liver disease, much of which is reversible if the obesity is reversed, so you are on the right road here. It is not surprising that he found some liver damage - it's fairly common in our obese population (and is why many surgeons impose those "liver shrinking" pre-op diets. My surgeon started out doing liver transplants, and moved into adding bariatrics as a means of treating the disease before it gets to his transplant table. Again, you are on the right path to helping yourself. Now, rapid weight loss imposes an additional stress on the liver as it is a key component in metabolizing all that fat that we are losing, so it would not be unusual for liver numbers to be wonky during this phase. This also means that we should avoid adding any more stress to the liver during this time, so that means avoiding alcohol while you are losing weight (preferably longer than that or even forever, but at least during the loss phase.) This is not a temperance or morality play, but just our physiology (we frequently get new posters in these forums, a couple of weeks out from surgery asking when they can start drinking again...) Talk to your surgeon about this when you see him again, but I suspect that you will get much the same story from him. If he is real concerned, he may send you to a hepatologist (liver doc) but most likely it will be something that is just monitored for a while and correct itself as your weight comes off and stabilizes.
  3. I prepared in basically the same way as I prepared for life without surgery, as our long term post op lifestyle should be a basic healthy diet with moderate or more activity. I started when my wife was leading up to her WLS (and was intending to get mine shortly thereafter) and we had to do the semi-typical 6 month insurance diet and exercise program to qualify. Our intent was to move our diet toward what it should be five or ten years on - basically what an RD will usually direct you for a healthy life -leaner meats, more fruits and veg (preferably fresh), whole grains in preference to refined white flour products, minimize the sugars and cut down/out the junky foods (high calorie/low nutrition stuff, whether those calories come from carbohydrates or fats.) We shifted the diet over to the extent that we could - it wasn't perfect, but it was sustainable, which is a key factor - this is your forever diet (though it can, and should, evolve.) It turned out the I lost about a third of my excess weight in those six months or so, and questioned the need to go with the surgery, at least at that time (my wife went ahead with it as she was much more in need of it) so I just continued, making tweaks to the diet to get it closer to a tolerated ideal. I lost a bit more here and there but maintained that original loss over several years before deciding to go ahead with the surgery to finish the job (the VSG had become accepted and insurable in that interim time, which it wasn't at the beginning - the DS that I was considering originally would have been overkill after my life changes. Over that same time, we joined the Y to get more active (it stuck with my a lot better than with her!) and I took up swimming again, which I had done before in younger days, and started playing with some weight training which became part of my routine - you need to find something that you will continue to do long term. fifteen years later, and I am still at it (though COVID has gotten in the way this past year, so things evolved again.) When I had the VSG done, I made relatively few changes to accommodate the transition. Protein is a bigger emphasis during that phase when you can't eat much, but I always still made an homage to my fundamentally healthy, balanced diet in the non-protein side of the diet, and the exercise was cut back during the healing phase, but ramped back up again, and beyond, as the weight came off. The net result is that my diet and lifestyle is little different than it was before, and this is an important factor as on of the most difficult things for those who follow the fad diets to "help" their WLS is the same thing as those who follow fad diets without surgery- the transition to "normal" once they're done dieting, as they never learned how to eat sustainably before. Even before COVID, I did not work as hard at the gym as I had earlier on, as we had gotten back into dogs, and with two pointers that need their daily exercise (they run, I hike) that has taken over some of my prior gym time - so things have evolved, but the activity is still there. I used to average an hour or so at the gym, alternating days in the pool and in the weight room, and with the dogs, it's more like a half hour, or sometimes it's entirely dog time if we do a longer hike in the morning.
  4. Not at all, nothing wrong with what you are feeling. Some will have more inflammation in their stomachs than others, and they have more difficulty drinking/sipping than others. The instructions that are given to sip, sip, sip an ounce of water every 5, 10, 15 or whatever minutes is just a minimum rate to try for is you are struggling; if you can sip faster without distress, that's great. I was able to down a bowl of broth (6-8 oz?) and a juice box (4oz) within a half hour or so - in the hospital. In the same phase, my wife could barely drink her nominal 4 0z stomach size in one sitting. The doc wasn't worried with either, as they are both within normal expectations. Water should just flow on through with little restriction, but may be more restricted if you are more inflamed than others. Nothing is stretching as things are just flowing on through as they should. Continue sipping as too big of a gulp can hurt or come back up for a while, but you should be able to drink fairly normally within the month or whatever time the doc may say is ok (no chugging though!)
  5. RickM

    Questioning Nutritionist Advice

    You certainly don't have to do keto if you don't want to (I never did) as people have been successfully negotiating their WLS for years, decades, before keto was ever dreamed of, and will continue to do so once that fad has faded, lol. What type of test(s) did they do for your body composition and BMR? Some work better than others, and they all have some flakiness when it comes to measuring obese, or formerly obese, people, but they can give a ballpark estimate of things. I am a bit skeptical of the 1200 calorie minimum for a woman of your size (height mostly) as there can be quite a variation in metabolic rates (which the test may or may not pick up) and it's not unusual to see women of your height maintaining in the 1200 range (and some may do so at 1600 or so.) I do understand that there are differing hypotheses and philosophies regarding metabolic set points and going too low means you stay low, etc., but there is also not a real strong consensus on this issue, either. My inclination would be to keep the calories on the lower side of their range, if not a bit lower, and see how that goes. I did fine at a consistent 1100 per day, but I have a decent guy's metabolism, and was losing at a consistent 10 lb per month after the initial quicker loss of the first three months. I am also maintaining in the 2000-2200 calorie range, so I had a fairly large caloric deficit to work from, which I doubt that you have given your height and gender. There is a general tendency for our loss to decline as we lose weight over the months, simply because we aren't moving alll of that excess weight around 24/7, so a slowdown should be expected, but it also means that there is a danger of going into maintenance early if our calories are too high, or worse, increase them over time as some programs suggest. Good luck!
  6. RickM

    Backlash??

    Don't worry about being selfish, or taking resources away from the pandemic - if they need to cancel/postpone your procedure because they need the staff elsewhere to deal with the pandemic, they will do so. There was a time early on when it was "all hands on deck" in many places to help deal with the overload (while in other places many were twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do because all the elective procedures had been cancelled out of uncertainty as to how the pandemic would evolve, but hadn't hit their region yet and they had nothing to do.) Many hospitals are in financial distress these days because they haven't been doing many of the elective procedures that pays their bills (in the meantime, the insurance industry is fat and happy because of all of the "elective" treatments that have been put off. I have a nephew who works for a bariatric clinic, and their surgeons started lobbying the hospital in the early summer (or before) to let them start working again, as the bariatric business makes very little impact on the critical side of the hospital - they rarely have need for the ICU, and their patients are short term, a day or two, so if COVID cases did ramp up such that the hospital needed the capacity, they could easily shut down the WLS procedures and empty those beds within a couple days to make room. So, actually, you are doing them a favor and helping the health care system by having your procedure and helping to use the capacity that would otherwise go to waste.
  7. RickM

    Gastric Bypass Reversal

    The only ones that I have seen reversed over the years on these forums are in cases where there are significant complications where there was no other real choice; it's a complicated enough procedure that few seriously consider it just for the sake of buyers remorse (from what I can tell, many surgeons don't want to tackle it themselves, often referring the patient to someone more experienced with it.) It is not something taken lightly. What is the reason that you are considering a reversal?
  8. RickM

    Fruit

    Pretty much every day. Raspberries and blueberries with yogurt as part of breakfast or afternoon snack. Tomatoes (depending upon whether one classifies them as a fruit or a veg...) and avocado most every day in a lunch salad. Occasionally tangerines and grapefruit in the salad instead. My overall goal is for ten servings of fruit and veg per day - which I rarely hit but do consistently get 7-8, and 5 as a bare minimum. I'm ten years out, but it's been that way for at least the past 7-8 years, and lesser amounts but a similar ratio to other foods before that.
  9. Likewise, they wanted to keep the water consumption down until after the leak test (which was frustratingly delayed) so it was mostly those foam popsickle sticks and a few ice chips until then.
  10. Are these foods that were in your normal diet and tolerated well before surgery? It sounds like it may be a matter of adaptation of your gut biome (all those little buggers that live in your intestines that help digest your food.) A probiotic may help repopulate your gut with the bacterial species appropriate for digesting what you are now eating. This is an adaptive thing, and our gut adapts to what we eat; make big changes to our diet and the gut needs to adapt to the new diet. Vegetarians can eat a lot of legumes and cruciferous veg that would have most of us farting to the moon are hardly bothered by them because their gut has adapted. Just having WLS and the major dietary changes (along with the anti-biotics that can kill of some of the gut bacteria) that typically go along with it can cause digestive problems owing to the biome no longer being compatible with the diet; a malabsorptive procedure such as the RNY or DS compounds this as it also changes the way digestion is done, but we adapt over time. Now you are adding in a new phase of changes that the gut needs to adapt to. It will pass in time (so to speak) but a broad spectrum probiotic can help speed the process.
  11. RickM

    Sleeve vs Bypass

    Here in the US, the MGB is not a common option, though it has been adopted by bariatric groups in other countries. When my wife and I were first investigating WLS some twenty years ago, the MGB was kicking around the sidelines of the bariatric field trying to find its place, but it never did here, failing to gain acceptance of either the ASBS/ASMBS or the insurance industry. In the meantime, both the DS and VSG have gone mainstream. There may still be a few isolated practices that offer it on a self pay basis, and there are several groups in Mexico that offer it, mainly as a cheaper, but not necessarily better, alternative to the RNY. The main bugaboo that I recall with it has been a greater propensity toward bile reflux, which is easy to understand if you look at its anatomy. As for a revision to counter regain, It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, as its metabolic strength is so similar to the RNY - much the same as switching between the VSG and RNY, or vice versa, for weightloss/gain reasons, doesn't make a lot of sense. To counter a regain problem, one should look to a stronger procedure, which in the current world is the duodenal switch (DS). Unfortunately, that is a very complex revision which only a half dozen or so surgeons around the country are capable of doing. That would be your best shot at losing a major part of your regain, but also the hardest. There is the newer SIPS/SADI/"Loop DS" that is a simpler and more accessible procedure that seems to sit between the RNY/VSG in DS in effectiveness, but it is still working on gaining acceptance from the ASMBS and insurance industry, but it doesn't seem far off now; that would be a compromise worth looking into, but it's not an easy revision, either, as it is sleeve based procedure, so the stomach first needs to be but back together before proceeding with the revision. The RNY, overall, is a difficult configuration to work with if it's not working right. The "simple" regain fixes such as re-doing the pouch, tightening the stoma or putting a band over the pouch don't seem to work all that well - figure on losing maybe 20 lb, on average, mostly from having to go through all of the restrictive diets around surgery time again, but beyond that it is mostly individual effort (which is what one does without surgery.) The other major option may be offered is to change it to a distal RNY (as opposed to the familiar proximal RNY) which dramatically increases the malabsorption component, with the trade off of the expected increase in supplement needs and potential for more significant nutritional problems. It is not usually approved by US insurance as a primary WLS procedure, but sometimes can be justified for special circumstances. Revisions are not a simple thing - research them carefully to fully understand what is involved, and what the potential risks and benefits are. Good luck,
  12. RickM

    Question about kidney stones

    It seems to be more of an imbalance of things, rather than strictly too much or little. My wife had them for a while, even though she was strictly on calcium citrate as specified.
  13. Most programs prescribe a PPI such as omeprazole for a while after surgery because heartburn is not uncommon. It also sounds like something like gas-x would be appropriate. Programs vary widely on dietary progressions, and if yours calls for mushies, at this time, that is fine, though you personally may not yet be ready for it. We were on purees and mushy things from the hospital on out, though not all could handle them that early, and much of the early diet was still a lot of liquid. Our general rule was to try new foods one at a time to test for tolerance; if it worked, great, if not, go back to what was working and try that food again in a week or two. So, you may be trying something that you aren't ready for yet, but something else mushy may work. Or, you may have to stick to liquids a few more days. People will have varying amounts of inflammation in their newly cut stomachs, so will vary widely on how easily things move through for a while - for some, just water is very slow to go through while others can easily handle yogurt and other soft and mushy things - both are within normal expectations so don't worry if things aren't going through that well yet, (or conversely, if things are going through easily while others struggle.)
  14. I have seen such devices being developed to treat diabetes, which makes sense as they emulate the surgical changes done in the biliopancreatic diversion (BPD) part of the BPD/DS bariatric procedure which yields exceptionally good results on resolving type II diabetes. It makes some sense that there will be some interest in trying to develop the concept for weight loss, but I suspect that they are climbing a very tall tree to get significant results. At best, I would expect it to be no better than the existing restrictive balloons and bands. Back in the 1960's and 70's one of the common weight loss procedures was the jejunoileal bypass (JIB), which was a purely malabsorptive procedure that resulted in pretty good weight loss performance, but at the cost of significant nutritional problems and other significant complications. It was largely supplanted by the RNY gastric bypass, which is highly restrictive, with a minor malabsorptive kicker, and that overall works well. Subsequently, the duodenal switch (the BPD/DS of above) came along which combines a more moderate amount of restriction with a moderate level of malabsorption, which has shown to work even better overall, but at the cost of being more complicated to perform. The lesson that I get from all of this is that for there to be enough malabsorption to yield the weight loss that we see in the current mainstream bariatric procedures (the VSG, RNY, SIPS/SADI and BPD/DS) it would probably have similar metabolic complications of the old JIB. Something with lesser malabsorption, such as these proposed sleeves, would likely yield relatively poor weight loss results - on the order of what is seen with other implantable weightloss devices (balloons, bands, etc.) and would likely have similar lifespan and foreign body issues. The other concern that I would have with these is how do they handle the bile and pancreatic enzymes that are released in the duodenum? presumably they flow down outside the sleeve to be introduced to the food flow at the end of the sleeve (perhaps that is the source of the pancreatitis and liver issues that Foxbins noted?) Overall it does seem like a neat idea, at least for some cases, but is not yet ready for prime time (and probably won't supplant the existing surgical weight loss interventions.)
  15. RickM

    Sleeve vs Bypass

    As noted, the difference in weight loss performance between the VSG and RNY is minimal - there is more variation between individuals than there is between the procedures themselves. If one wants/needs something demonstrably better than the VSG/RNY, then there is the DS available; if ones needs are less than that provided by the VSG/RNY, then there are the balloons and lapbands available. The bypass will be somewhat fussier than the sleeve when it comes to supplements and some medications (some time release meds may not work well with it, and some meds that are known to possibly be ulcer prone are more restricted or forbidden.} Diet may be a little more restricted, but there isn't a great difference. What I would be concerned about is whether the finding of this benign tumor makes you any more susceptible to something more malignant that should be monitored? One of the drawbacks or the RNY is the loss of the ability to easily scope the remnant stomach post-op, as that is left in a blind loop along with the duodenum and associated bile and pancreatic ducts. I assume that the tumor was found somewhere in the lower part of the stomach near the pyloric valve, and that is why they are interested in doing a bypass instead of a sleeve as that would naturally remove the tumor and surrounding tissue (if it were found in the central fundus, that would naturally be removed as part of the VSG). If this is a concern to them, the RNY can be performed without leaving a remnant stomach behind (it's basically what's done in many cased of stomach cancer); I have run into a few who have had WLS/RNY performed that way for various reasons and while there are some tradeoffs to doing it that way, they are not real big ones - most don't know the difference other than it removes the theoretical reversibility of the bypass. In short, the difference in making the switch is not great, but my biggest concern would be what the tumor finding means to you long term and how do you mitigate whatever tendencies there might be (for instance, I am subject to stomach polyps, which like those in the colon are considered to be pre-cancerous, so that is something that we monitor with periodic endoscopies.)
  16. RickM

    Stopping Ketosis

    Stopping ketosis? Yes and no, depending upon how one defines it. As far dropping ketones that are detectable in a urine test, that is a normal result of burning off your fat stores - which is what we are trying to do - irrespective what diet is used. All it takes is a suitable caloric deficit, so that is pretty much unavoidable if you are losing the weight that you want to lose. If one is aiming for high numbers or pretty colors on a keto stick, and gushes about how the bad breath and body odors that they are getting is a sign of burning fat, then no, that is not at all necessary. I followed a very strict "no fad diet" regimen - no Atkins, Ornish, Paleo, South Beach, Zone, Keto, etc., and had to work to stop the loss when I approached goal weight. I quite specifically avoided symptomatic ketosis (along with other classic low carb diet symptoms such as fatigue, lethargy, brain fade, hypoglycemia, etc.) by maintaining as balanced a diet as reasonably possible within our post bariatric protein and low calorie requirements, though ketones were detectable in the normal urine tests - that is normal when metabolizing the fat. One does not need to go overboard on consuming excess fats to drive one into ketosis - that is just part of the keto fad and has nothing to do with burning your fat stores in losing weight. The protein in your urine may just be a passing thing (no pun intended...) or may be indicative of something else. I have often passed detectable amounts of protein in my urine, even well before WLS, but that's just me. It can be a sign of possible kidney problems, or maybe not - it is something that we monitor. Our post bariatric diets are not so much high protein, as they are adequate protein bur low on everything else; in a year or two when you are much lighter and maintaining your weight, your protein levels should be about the same as they are now, but everything else will be higher to fill out the extra calories that you need to maintain, and to provide the nutrition that you need. If you look at bariatrics historically, you find that dietary style (low fat, low carb, keto, paleo, etc.) makes very little difference to overall weight loss, as that is primarily determined by the caloric deficit created by eating so little for that first year or so. Indeed, if you look back 20-30 years ago, patients were often advised to "eat like you always have, just less...." and it worked. Of course, what didn't work was them maintaining the loss as they never learned to eat sustainably to maintain their weight. So, it is entirely reasonable to eat a basically healthy diet that, for a time, is protein biased (we can supplement most everything else) and not worry about whatever the fad diet of the day happens to be - eat with an eye towards how you should be eating five years from now. Those who follow the fad diets have the same problem that non-WLS dieters have - learning how to eat sustainably once they have lost the weight and no long have to "diet".
  17. RickM

    Keto pills

    They are guaranteed to help lighten your wallet. Beyond that, it's very unlikely that they will do anything to help your weight - just like all those other miracle weight loss pills. They might have some caffeine in them to make your feel more energetic or something, but given that keto diets don't do much for your weight (other than some temporary water weight loss, which we all get when we go into a significant caloric deficit) these things aren't going to do anything for you, either. You would be better off putting the money spent on these types of things into a few sessions with an RD to learn how to eat to sustainably manage your weight in the long term.
  18. RickM

    robot engineering

    It is basically another tool for the surgeon to use. Assuming that he has learned how to use the tool, the outcome still fundamentally comes back to the surgeon - the tool isn't going to make up for poor technique or inexperience, but when used properly, can make the surgery easier and quicker.
  19. The short answer is yes - by and large, the bariatric recommendations largely reflect our normal maintenance needs for protein. Now, that amount varies from person to person, primarily based upon their lean body mass (muscles, organs, skin, etc.) A short woman of normalish weight, say 5' 0" and 100-110lb, would need around 50g of protein to maintain her 75lb or so of lean body mass, while a 6'0" 180lb man with around 150 lb of lean body mass will need twice that, around 100g. If one is actively trying to build additional muscle mass (and doing the work to do so,) then they will need additional protein, maybe up to around another 40g or so depending upon what they are trying to do. But as an average, what the bariatric programs usually recommend is in line with the normal recommendations for normal people, though maybe a bit simplified, and sometimes with a bit of overkill added in (a bit too much is better than not enough.)
  20. Only to the extent that you may still be on narcotic pain relievers post-op.
  21. It really is anybody's guess. The typical rationale for a pre-op diet is to improve the liver condition to make surgery easier, so both the patient and the surgeon come into play here (some patients will have more problematic livers, some surgeons are less comfortable than others in working around them). Some talk in terms of getting the patient used to the post op diet, but by my experience, that isn't needed as you don't feel like having anything overly solid for a while (maybe these are programs that do post op liquid diets much longer than needed?) The liver thing is usually best addressed with a very low carb diet, so lean meats and green veg are usually fine, though that is often restricted to one or maybe two meals a day with the rest being protein shakes or other liquids. Some do a purely liquid diet for some unknown reason, usually two weeks but it can be more (I have seen up to six months - yikes!) Some don't do any pre-op diet at all if they know their way around the liver. We only had a day before diet to clear out the GI tract before surgery. Overall, it sounds like your diet is relatively average - not overly long or only liquid, but not just a quicky, either. Overall, being on only liquids for as long as some do, combined with post op liquid diets, isn't really that great of an idea, and it is best to minimize that to the extent possible (within doctors' instructions, of course!) Have fun going through all of this!
  22. If you haven't run into this in your research, I found this to be an interesting point/counterpoint discussion of the LINX (the "Yes" vote is linked at the bottom). http://agaperspectives.gastro.org/is-linx-the-way-to-go-for-gerd-surgery-no/#.X7K6SWhKiUk I also found another source that indicated that LINX was not appropriate for bariatric patients, but didn't explain why (possibly simply because that group didn't have much experience with bariatric patients?) The "No" vote above did lift out the prospect of erosion from the foreign body, and given the history of the lapband, that is probably a good point of caution. I would suggest getting a second (and possibly third) opinion on this. I am a fan of second opinions, particularly when it comes to revisions and complications, as both the causes and solutions are often more varied than the original surgery, and hence the opinions as to the best way to go often vary more widely - what one doc is comfortable doing to solve the problem may not be the ideal for you, while another doc may have different experiences that allows him to offer something better for your need. Or maybe not - but as patients it is hard for us to evaluate, but one solution may make more sense to us than another. I have found that with the sleeve, being a relatively new procedure to most of the bariatric world, the solutions to problems that may crop up are often limited - some docs are limited to simply revising to a bypass as they don't have much experience with anything else. Most bariatric surgeons here in the States are fairly well experienced with the sleeve by now (as opposed to 6-10 years ago) but may not yet have that much experience in correcting problems with them, which is why it can pay to seek out alternate opinions. Sometimes there are shape issues with the sleeve, stemming from either the original surgery or from subsequent evolutions, and surgeons can vary widely on their ability to address these. Some can do fundoplications to address the hiatal hernia, while others can't (there isn't that much fundus to plicate after our VSG.) I would suggest a second opinion from Dr. Ara Keshishian, who does a lot of complex revisions (people come from across the country to see him, particularly as he is one of the few who can do the RNY/DS revision) and if anyone can get things working better without a major revision or devices, it is him. If one can avoid an RNY or an implanted device, that would be ideal. Conveniently, he is right around the corner from you in the Glendale/Pasadena area. I do have a hiatal hernia, though a fundoplication is inappropriate for my case, and as GERD is mild and well controlled with moderate OTC meds, and EGD shows nothing exciting happening, it is a wait and see thing for me at this point. Hope yours comes out well, whatever path you take,
  23. Guys do too ("I'm not usually bitchy...!")
  24. Hiatal hernia repairs are quite common along with WLS, as they are a common problem amongst the morbidly obese. Ditto with gallbladders - it is not overly unusual to see them removed along with WLS if they had been causing problems, or can be anticipated to cause problems. My surgeon routinely removes them when he does the DS (which is a sleeve along with malabsorptive intestinal rerouting) but only removes them with the VSG if he feels stones when he is in there doing the surgery. Based upon that, I wouldn't expect the trifecta to be all that unusual, though I haven't gone through that myself.
  25. I would try to get the word of the surgeon, rather than nurse or office staff, as he is the one who will get to repair any hernias that you create. The typical advice is no more than 10 lb for sometime on the order of 3-6 weeks, maybe a bit more after 3 weeks or so, but usually nothing substantial for at least 6-8 weeks. My doc was a bit more conservative in that he specified no serious core work such as sit ups and crunches for 12 weeks. Arguably, that may not be enough for some. One of the problems that I learned about talking with the physical therapists after some orthopedic work, is that while your muscles may heal quickly and feel up to more work, the connective tissues like the tendons and ligaments don't have as much blood flow as the muscles, so they heal more slowly and are more vulnerable to being torn (and this would include the fascia that holds the abdominal muscles together, which they cut through for your surgery.) It is not unusual for a sharp sneeze or cough to cause an incisional hernia many weeks or even months after surgery. Real story here, of my sister's octogenarian FIL who had some sort of hand surgery, After all of the recovery and physical therapy, the surgeon cleared him for all normal activities. His wife, a retired nurse, called the surgeon asked what he had told him - "just that he could go back to normal activities.... " "Did you know that he is back under the house digging ditches and pouring concrete? " "Oh **** I didn't mean that!" So, it pays to go to the source and to be specific. Related to that, after my post WLS reconstructive/plastic surgery, when discussing with the surgeon what I could do at the gym and when, he told me that crunches and such loaded, bending abdominal work was out, but surprisingly twisting was fine - he knew exactly what he had done inside, and where the strengths and weaknesses were. Also, your surgeon may be able to suggest appropriate protective gear - straps or supports - that may help you during this period. But do be specific as to what you do. Good luck on continued recovery

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