SqueakyWheel&Ethyl

Immediately after my GS surgery (April 17, 2013), I read a post here about having a drippy nose when they know they've eaten too much. When I read that, I thought, "Ew! I'm not gonna!" The idea of my nose just dripping - without warning - was disgusting and I was arrogant enough to think it was something that we could control. Later, when I *DID* eat too much, I leaned over the table and *DRIP*... there went my nose! ACK!!! Did I just DO that?!? My nose had not dripped uncontrollably since I was 4 years old! WASSUP WIT DAT?!? Since then, I have experienced the nose drip, the "slime" feeling in my mouth and sneezing after eating a meal - all things I've seen mentioned in others' posts. What I don't understand is this...

WHAT does eating food have to do with our respiratory system going slimey, causing our noses to drip and sneeze? Where is the corrolation? What anatomically is happening to connect the gastric system to the respiratory system?

This is one of my favorite threads ever!

I went for a long time as the standard "Sleeve Master". I am not into B&D so I did not dig it but didn't know how to change it. A sleever said I reminded him of a hippy uncle, full of mystical sayings and quite eccentric. I was "Apple" in the 60's, a painted guru and self-absorbed cloud flyer.

I was sufficiently flattered and found out how to change that part:

Click the little arrow by your name in the upper right, My Settings, scroll down, fill in blank in front of Member Title

I clicked on the drop down screen arrow by my name (top right in window), selected My Settings. I see no selection called "Member Title." Is there another missed step?

EAS makes a Rich Dark chocolate in 11 oz. servings with 17 gms of Protein that are my favorite. Very tasty. I'm not fond of the vanilla ones, tho. I buy them in 4-packs at Kroger's for around $11.50. They make me feel like I've had a full meal and for less than $3.00 each. I'm lucky if I can drink 2 a day with lite snack-meals in between. I also like Atkins Advantage - 11 oz w/15 gms protein each. Also sold in 4-packs.

I agree that hydration is priority one over Protein. In the first 2 weeks post-op I was told to set my Protein goal to 30 gms... To strive for it, but don't beat myself up if I can't. After 30 became easy, I was to set my goal to 60 and know it will take time to be able to consistently do it. I'm 6 weeks out and still struggle to get in 60. I'm averaging about 40. So, don't focus on just protein right now. Like the earlier post said, sip, sip, sip.

The gurgling is just recovery noises that will dissipate with time. Take one bite. Put down the fork. Wait 3 minutes, take another bite.... Repeat. And LISTEN to what your body says in between bites. I find its a delayed reaction. I still have a bad habit of wanting to chow down three bites quickly. My body (I call her "Ethyl") will tell me, SLOW DOWN. Just listen carefully. Old habits die hard.

When you are more healed, you will be happy you did this. Just give yourself time.

At my 1 month post op, I had lost 15 lbs (according to his records... He had my pre-op weight lighter than my scales.... 24 according to mine). He said he wants to see me at 25-30 lbs TOTAL LOST by my 3 month check up. Seriously? I hope I hit that goal by Month 2! You are doing GREAT!

I'm not touting Hashimoto's = Cancer. My original point is that it is not wise to leave an abnormal thyroid ignored or unchecked. And, the article shared was to support the fact that this disease is linked to cancer. The article happened to be about liver cancer. Long-term untreated Hypothyroidism is linked to other cancers, too. My message was - and still is - don't run in the wrong direction from this diagnosis.

As for ME, Hashimoto's, combined with PBC and NASH (both auto-immune diseases attacking the liver) (aggravated by pre-Diabetes) puts me at a much higher risk than most people for liver failure and (not "or") cancer.... Many forms of cancer. I'd hate to see someone ignore their condition and get sicker.

Cancer ! Come on that's a little extreme! Is there any proof that hyperthyroidism causes cancer?

I've had this condition for 10 yrs and in the uk we are given a drug called Thyroxine and that sorts it out. Remaining untreated is definitely not recommended though.

Underactive Thyroid Linked to Liver Cancer Risk

By Crystal Phend, Staff Writer, MedPage Today

Published: May 06, 2009

Reviewed by Robert Jasmer, MD; Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Francisco

SAN FRANCISCO, May 6 -- Long-term hypothyroidism may nearly triple the risk of developing liver cancer, researchers found.

The association was independent of established hepatocellular carcinoma risk factors, but significant only among women, according to Manal M. Hassan, M.D., Ph.D., of the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, and colleagues.

These case-control study findings shouldn't be surprising, the researchers wrote in the May issue of Hepatology.

Hypothyroidism has been linked to chronic liver diseases and implicated in the pathogenesis of nonalcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH), which is considered a predisposing condition for liver cancer.

This may result from the essential role of thyroid hormones in lipid mobilization and degradation and fatty acid oxidation, Dr. Hassan's group said. When they're out of balance, "all of these conditions may enhance the susceptibility to chronic inflammation, DNA damage, and hepatocellular carcinoma development."

In the study, an underactive thyroid increased hepatocellular carcinoma risk independent of hepatitis C virus (HCV) infection (adjusted odds ratio 2.0, 95% CI 1.2 to 3.3) and independent of diabetes (adjusted OR 1.9, 95% CI 1.2 to 3.3).

Together, though, these factors appeared to have more than an additive effect (adjusted OR 34.3 for hypothyroidism plus HCV and 7.9 for hypothyroidism plus diabetes, respectively).

"Screening and proper management of thyroid diseases in patients with diabetes or hepatitis C virus infection may help prevent hepatocellular cancer," they said.

The ongoing hospital-based case-control study involved 420 hepatocellular carcinoma patients newly diagnosed at M.D. Anderson.

The controls included 1,104 healthy, genetically unrelated family members (such as spouses and in-laws) of M.D. Anderson patients with cancers other than liver, gastrointestinal, lung, or head and neck.

Overall, more of the hepatocellular carcinoma cases than controls reported a history of thyroid disease (15.0% versus 12.1%).

Likewise, a history of hypothyroidism -- the most common type of thyroid disease -- was significantly more common among cases than controls (11.7% versus 8.0%, P=0.03).

Long-term hypothyroidism of more than three-years duration conferred a significant, 2.1-fold excess risk of liver cancer, compared with no history of thyroid disorders.

The multivariate analysis found the association only among women.

Women with a prior, long-term history of hypothyroidism for three to 10 years had a 2.6-fold higher risk of hepatocellular carcinoma (95% CI 1.0 to 7.2). For women with a history of hypothyroidism lasting more than 10 years, the risk was 2.9 times as high (P<0.001).

The two- to threefold increased risk of liver cancer remained for hypothyroidism in analyses controlling for obesity at different ages, for all established hepatocellular carcinoma risk factors, and even in analyses restricted to nondrinkers, nonsmokers, and those without hepatitis or diabetes.

The greater susceptibility of women than men with the same condition may be partially explained by the liver's role as a major target tissue for the proliferative effect of growth hormones, their receptors, and binding Protein, the researchers suggested.

They noted that further prospective study is needed in different populations to validate the findings and to determine the underlying mechanisms.

While the self-reported thyroid disease may have been prone to recall bias, the investigators found no discrepancy in the medical records.

The study was supported by National Institutes of Health grants and the Texas Tobacco Settlement. The researchers reported no conflicts of interest.

Primary source: Hepatology

Source reference:

Hassan MM, et al "Association between hypothyroidism and hepatocellular carcinoma: a case-control study in the United States" Hepatology 2009; 49: 1563-70.

Conroe here. Sleeved April 17th.

I had the same problem early on. MoM is effective. I chew Fiber tabs daily now. They are fruity tasting and work perfectly. Normal movements without cramping or straining.

Last time I checked, this website was a support group for everything that is involved in the lives of fellow Sleevers. If you can't, or flat out just don't WANT to be supportive of a fellow Sleever in pain, then MOVE ON and keep your criticism to yourself. I have NO DESIRE to support a spouse of a Sleever who is suffering. I don't need to hear the other side of the story. I LIVED IT MYSELF. You can't make this crap up! If my Sister-Sleever is asking for comfort, that's what she gets from me.

Synthroid user here for 4 years... sleeved on Jan 11th 2013 and down 85 lbs.... Take it and you will be fine... Not take it and you may not be fine.

85 lbs in 4 1/2 months? WOW! I'm down 27 lbs in 5 weeks. The notion that one with Hashimoto's can lose that much THAT FAST is music to my eyes!

Where did you get that Synthroid causes weight gain?!? ABSOLUTELY false! HYPOTHYROIDISM causes a drag in the metabolism. The disease causes weight gain. The drug props your thyroid up so it can attempt to function properly.

If you don't take it, your thyroid may likely continue to deteriorate. I suppose it could slow down any weight loss you want from the sleeve. I wouldn't be surprised if a neglected sick thyroid would run a higher risk of developing cancer, though I haven't researched that because I never miss my Synthroid. If you are hell-bent on avoiding Synthroid, I'd suggest finding out if you should prepare for cancer in a few years.

I don't mean to sound harsh.... Truly. Just learn all you can. Ignorance begets fear. Fear begets anger. Conquer it. Learn all you can. Managed with one tiny pill daily, Hypothyroidism is one of the mildest long-term chronic conditions one can face.

I would like information on how the results of the sleeve procedure are affected by the presence of Hashimoto's or any form of thyroid disease. Should I expect my results to be less than everyone else's because of my thyroid?

I was on Clear Liquids for the first three days (including surgery day). Then full liquids for 3 weeks. Don't worry about drinking ALL of the Protein Drink this early in the process. Just continually sip, and take in a much Protein drink as you an comfortably tolerate. My Dr wanted me to set a goal for 30 gm of protein per day for the first week, then raise the goal to 60/day. I RARELY get in 60/ay even now, but I am mindful of it and keep trying. Don't be too hard on yourself. Just keep sippin.'

Te best reliable total pain reliever is accupuncture. I highly recommend it.

Two Excedrin Migraine chased with a flat Mountain Dew... Or strong tea. The caffeine with the pills will help. Then, sleep.< /p>

This is the WORK part. Every sip is a success. Take a TEENY sip every 3-5 minutes. In 24 hours, you will find it easier. In 48 hours, you'll increase the volume significantly. In a week, you'll look back on today and tomorrow and think, 'Wow, I've come a long way already!'

Just stay focused on what your job is. Sip every three minutes. Try a variety. Clear chicken broth. Jello. Water. In a couple of days you can have full liquids, and it might take an entire day to get in an 11 oz Protein Shake, but a few days later, you'll be able to drink two. Expect to feel a 'heartburney' feeling in your sternum for the first 5 days or so.

And, DON'T BE A HERO! Take your pain meds. sleep A LOT! As soon as you wake up, take a sip. This, too, shall pass! It gets easier. I promise.

I bought the blender. I bought the plain vanilla yogurt. I bought the frozen raspberries. I have the whey Protein powder. I can't find recipes that sound good! Help, please???

We are excited for you!

I'm in Conroe. What part of Texas are you from? Complete your profile. Blog. The more you participate in comments, questions, blogs, etc, the more you will benefit from this place. Need a friend? I'm here. Need a fitnesspal app buddy? I'm here.

I suggest that you take all your measurements the night before your surgery. When you hit a weight-loss stall (typical at 3 weeks post-op), the inches will still be melting away. My first week post-op experience is blogged. Take a look.

He sure sounds like my first husband. Is his name Gene, too? He convinced me to have a "unique" relationship, too. You need to drag his butt into counseling with you! He's a narcissistic ass who isn't honoring his marriage vows to love you through thick AND thin. I doubt he's going to change. I suggest you lose another 180-200 lbs by shedding that burden. I would never recommend divorce before, but, oh, my gosh, he sounds like my ex and ending that relationship was the healthiest thing I ever did!

Whatever you make peace with, start being a little more self-centered. You deserve it and it will throw Mr Have-My-Cake-And-Eat-It-Too off balance.

I'm ConroeCat

Are you exercising? Toning? As you may already know, muscle weighs more than fat. Exercise beefs up the muscle while melting away the fat. Even if you are moving easier and feel more energetic, your muscle tone may be improving.

Measure yourself. Log it. And measure again in a month. I bet you will see significant results that way, that will explain why you aren't seeing more drastic weight-loss numbers.

Ditto

I live with constant body itching, but it has nothing to do with the procedure. All over itching is (in MY case) a symptom of an inflamed liver. I would recommend that you share this with your Dr on your next appt. I'd also recommend requesting a liver function test (routine blood test). A friend at work had the Lap-Band, and a couple of weeks later, her liver function sky-rocketed! She's okay, but had to go to Baylor to be monitored, and, I guess whatever ticked off her liver just corrected itself. Still, I'd not ignore it.

Our liver and kidneys carry the physical traumatic stress post-op. It might just be a little ticked off.