Chris_NJ

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Your score pegs you as economically moderately capitalist and socially center-authoritarian.

Moderate capitalists usually support free trade and low taxes, but take pragmatic stances according to what they believe will be best for business and workers.

Social center-authoritarians generally have moderate social views, with a slight lean toward government intervention. They may have moderate cultural and religious views, but on the whole believe that the government should assure that society should stay moral.

Chris you say you're unwilling to watch a Michael Moore flick because it's "just silly" but you're willing to allow some foreigner to assess it for you and embrace it enough to post it here. I guess you do this because you agree with her wholeheartedly.

Well, how can you? You haven't seen the movie, you've only heard the right wing propaganda. What a sheep. Baaaaaaah.

Actually if you read a few posts back I STATED I HAVE SEEN IT.

Just think the man is way over the top and foolish.

Wow calling me a sheep HAHAHAHAHA Now thats funny.

The funny thing is people in this thread have called me so many things I am not.

Am I a right wing nut job HELL NO...Am I a Left Wing nut job HELL NO.. To I sway more to the right of the line yes I do. I value conservatism more.

I am a product of my environment. I have spent 18 months in Iraq so my views on that are they way they are because of that.

I have nothing against gays in the military. If someone is willing to put there life on the line for me I don't care who they are sleeping with.

I don't believe in abortion but thats not my decision and sometimes it is needed.

I am for gay marriage. Not my lifestyle but who am I to judge someone for what they do in there personal life.

I am for a capitalist country.

I am against socialized government run health care. IMO I want the best medicine I can get and you don't get it that way.

I am Catholic, I was raised that way and do believe in God. Am I a practicing Catholic. Not really but don't feel that I need to go to Church to believe in it. Do I preach it ...HELL NO.

I have friends and relatives of all walks of life and don't judge someone by there race, religion or anything else for that matter.

If you want to know anything else just ask and don't be so quick to judge by an internet forum....

I may not agree with a lot of what is said in these threads by some but I would be the first one to shake your hand and buy you a drink.

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Look I to can Cut and Paste !

A European View of Michael Moore's 'Sicko'

by Stefania Lapenna

07/25/2007

Hollywood leftie Michael Moore's new propaganda movie, 'Sicko', is being cheered by crowds of enthusiast anti-American Europeans and followers of evil Stalinist snake Fidel Castro, as it badmouths the American health system and praises socialized, state-controlled medicine. Calling it biased is to say little: rather, it's definitely a big lie. I have no doubt that Moore and his group of patients have received excellent medical treatment free of charge, as featured in the movie. Too bad that such a world-class system is denied to eleven million of Cubans, while wealthy white foreigners like him are given absolute priority and the best attention ever. Mr. Moore shows his total ignorance of the Cuban system when he claims that "Cuba spends $251 per person on health care." I need to remind him a few essential things. First, that number is mostly spent to fund the regime's self-proclaimed "internationalist humanitarian missions", aimed at winning political support from the countries receiving the 'wonders' of the island's medicine. Second, part of it is designed for more health centers reserved for the elite and its foreign apologists.

We cannot expect a communist to learn the other side of story, but Sicko is not just telling lies, it is insulting common sense, too. Not everyong in Cuba gets the Potemkin village treatment 9/11 workers received. Maverick human rights activists living in the island put their life at risk for reporting on the hell the ordinary people go through on a daily basis across the country. Darsi Ferrer Ramirez, a doctor who's also a peaceful dissident and founder of the Center for Health and Human Rights, an illegal and persecuted organization offering medical assistance to hundreds of citizens, has been working for years in one of the ill-equipped, run-down hospitals in Havana, but was fired recently for denouncing the injustice and disasters of communist care. Very popular among many patients, he emails tons of photos, mostly showing the real face of Castroite Cuba's free healthcare. He's not alone, as several other independent journalists all over the island keep reporting on how "Sicko" the state of the health system in the Caribbean nation is. If there's one that works perfectly, that is medical apartheid.

I don't believe Michael Moore is a mere liar. He's quite well aware that Cubans aren't as lucky as him to receive first-class treatment when they need it, but he doesn't care at all, as his everyday sport is going after his native country and get the applause of silly Euro leftists. What "Sicko" purposely didn't tell you about Cuba is that, other than being a Gulag police state, there are very few -- if any -- functioning health centers. The rest, as can be seen in these photographs taken and sent in by a non-governamental journalist, are collapsing structures that resemble recently-bombed buildings. This is just the exterior side. Entering a Cuban hospital may be an appalling experience. Hygiene is pratically non-existent, excrements and roaches can easily be found everywhere on the floors and medicines are rarely available for patients. I challenge Moore to support his claims about US healthcare with graphical evidence, but I doubt he'll be able to find any picture comparable to plenty of others showing the third-world decay of Castroite health. To figure out which side of Cuba's dual system Michael Moore experienced, you need to scroll down this page from "The Real Cuba."

Another detail "Sicko" failed to mention is the shortage of medicines and doctors. Blamed on US embargo, they're fully available to foreigners, government officials and closest followers, something that has finally been noticed by many Cubans who now aren't buying scapegoats anymore. Daily reports state that numerous hospitals are closed because there aren't doctors. The latter are forcibly sent abroad to serve as slaves for Castro's propaganda disguised as 'humanitarian assistance to poor patients'. Many manage to elude security and escape to seek political refuge as soon as they have the chance to do so. The movie gets one thing right: infantile mortality rate in Cuba is low. However, that's mostly due to the officially-sanctioned practice of forced abortions of fetuses diagnosed premature diseases. For any person to portray Cuban medical apartheid as the best system ever, it takes a significant dose of stupidity mixed with contempt for intellectual honesty. I advise the cynical filmmaker to tour the average hospitals to get a taste of the reality on the ground, the very same the independent journalists see with their own eyes every day.

In his unconditional praise of European and Canadian socialized medicine, he asserts that it provides free treatment for the poor. I'm sorry to contradict him, but the truth is much more complicated than he would have you to believe. Has he ever heard of the infamous waiting lists? Maybe he has, but neither he nor the 9/11 workers featured in his film live under a bankrupt system that, when one needs a surgery or a visit to a specialist, is told to wait up to eight months, during which one may fall ill or even die. I'm not sure if he weighs a documentary giving voice to the tens of thousands of people who, while on list, got cancer or some other disease that may have been diagnosed in time. Waiting lists are potential killers. If we are to tell it like it is, we can't help mentioning that medical errors and negligence are widespread in publicly-funded hospitals. In Italy, a survey found that about 73% of people don't trust their public health system. Since a couple of years ago, the number of patients that have died or fallen ill due to incompetence or fatal errors has dizzily increased. In the last three months alone, there have been fifteen deaths in hospitals from north to south Italy. Some were people rushed into emergency rooms to find that doctors were not available. Recently, a few others were diagnosed HIV and hepatitis following transfusion with infected blood. Now, many cross their fingers and pray for their survival whenever they enter a hospital room.

Governments are well aware of the state of public health care, including the large scale corruption that involves the very same management of such a sector. So, what do they do to fix these huge problems and inefficiencies? Instead of reforming their obsolete system, they impose a two-euro tax on many prescription drugs, in addition to those others that don't need prescription and cost up to twenty euros. So much for 'free health care'.

As an European fed up with socialized medicine, I would like to express my deepest admiration for American healthcare. Although not perfect and needing more effective free market reforms, the money factor -- which "Sicko" lashes out at as source of all imaginary evils -- is what keeps it innovative, competitive and efficient. We hear a lot about 45 million citizens who don't have health insurance. But just who are they? The US Census Bureau couldn't be clearer:

--38% of the uninsured (17 million) live in households earning over $ 50,000 in annual income

--20% (9 million) reside in households earning over 75,000 a year

--Over 18 million (40%), between the ages of 18 and 34, spend more on entertainment or dining out

--14 million ( 31%) are elegible for health government programs like Medicaid, but choose to opt-out.

So, how many are truly uninsured? Only 18% of Americans.

Michael Moore should explain why, if his country's system is so bad, millions of Europeans and Canadians travel to America for surgeries. He should ask why so many European researchers, most of them Italians, prefer to move to the United States in order to better focus on their work than stay at home waiting for funds which never arrive. We rarely hear of patients going to Cuba or Europe to receive medical care. Except the opportunist wealthy white stupid men eager to make money on the skin of the victims of socialized medicine.

I have a message for the American people. Don't be fooled by the Hollywood lefties.

Keep your current healthcare system. One day, you may miss it.

Don`t be silly, you have to at least VIEW it with an open mind, before you trash something....

Or... are you incapable of looking at an Issue from BOTH sides before rendering an opinion? or just plain lazy?

Actually I have seen it ... he is just foolish.

Regarding the Healthcare issue... has anyone gone out and rented the Documentary Film called S I C K O , by Michael Moore???

Please, view it... there are some good points raised and it is informative.

I'd love to hear your comments after you've viewed it.

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All credibility has been lost when Michael Moore is mentioned.

RIGHT ON!! AND Clinton was a Democrat!

with a Republican congress. :thumbup:

Personal attacks ? Like you never do ?

Only when someone attacks me first, then I give it right back. I am never intimidated. But it is not my style to attack someone for no reason. I prefer to prove them wrong with the facts. But if you want to attack me personally when you've got nothing else, go ahead. You'll just get it right back.

The above post is brought to you by Ms. Cut & Paste, a/k/a Ms. Fact Checker (that's what ariscus called me) and the queen of hearts -bleeding and it is red after all

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Trust me I don't need to search the internet to have my opinions and my views....If I see something interesting I post it.

Once again the laughing....???

Because I think its funny.

Standard phrase used by people of Indian/Pakistani descent when you leave their dairy queen/convenience store/days inn/dunkin donuts/taxi.--Urban dictionary.

Use this phrase in front of anyone of middle eastern decent and they will let you know it is discriminatory.

HAHAHA OMG are you kidding ! I probably have more Indian friends than you even know !

ARE YOU KIDDING ....

Urban dictionary ! Now thats funny !

So saying thank you come again is racist ! WOW now you are really reaching for strings ! :thumbup:

I've been posting on here for quite a while and what I have noticed is that when my post hits my intended target, the neocons feel compelled to attack me personally. That's when I know I hit a bullseye. Because other than personal attacks, they got nothing.

Personal attacks ? Like you never do ?

I have no need to be a keyboard warrior.....

I don't need to blast people who don't agree with me on an internet forum to get off in my life.

I laugh :thumbup:

Once again another racist comment from a republican.

LMAO a racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now thats funny!

You don't even know me and call me a racist.

PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION !

She posted it before and I refuted it before. Yawn.

And if you don't like my cut and pastes then don't read them. But I suspect they hit the target which is why you think they're tripe.

Not quite you actually crack me up.....the anger that the libs post on these forums just verifies why I am so glad I am not one!

I may post once in a while in here but talking to walls is no fun. Specially walls that have no open mind and pretend they do.

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Thank You Come again !

Those of us who can afford to pay for healthcare, liberal or not. Those who cannot get some help. Big deal. Geez.

This is just more of your same old same old BS.

and the tripe you post isn't? Miss cut and paste ?

Here's how your government will come up with the MONEY to spend on Univeral Health Care Plan.

-Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan

-Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq

-The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out

-The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed

-The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010

-Closed offshore tax safe havens

-Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals ( so rich people and corporations will HAVE to pay their fair share of TAXES)

-Lower drug costs for seniors (thereby saving Tax Dollars in Medicare system, wastage now.)

-Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts (healthy competition will render lower prices, therefore tax savings)

-Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000

I only wish I had the $$ values of all of the ABOVE tax savings... surely now PG you can see how it can be affordable to revamp your Healtcare system... It is doable!!

If all the other G8 countries can offer and afford Universal Health care(and the other countries economies are Smaller than the U.S.) you can too. It just takes effort, smarts, and a WILL to help the 50 million American people who currently do not have healthcare!

OBAMA is on the right track.

its a good thing you live in Canada and don't vote here. :thumbup:

This man says it all....

LiveLeak.com - Why I'm A Conservative Republican 2.0

What is your point about Chris?

Point is here is the Attorney General threatening lawsuits and he hasn't even read a 10 page law? Whats he there for ?

Sad is what it is !

My stance on issues has been quite clear on these boards. But if you believe what is constitutional should be determined by a poll of Americans then that is just another example of the extreme thinking of the neocons and why we need to protect our country and constitution from them.

So from people who actually have read the constitution and want to follow it?

Please EXPLAIN how the law is unconstitutional ? Protecting our nations sovereignty is unconstitutional?

Shall we all take a trip to Mexico or another country for that matter and do it illegally. Then we will set up shop and ask for free health care, a driver license , not pay taxes and force them all to cater to us. Lets see how far we will get.

and see I don't need make all my writing in red to state something.

No keyboard warrior here. :redface:

Arizona Immigration Law: AG Eric Holder Admits "I Have Not Read It".

LiveLeak.com - Arizona Immigration Law: AG Eric Holder Admits "I Have Not Read It".

Sad... :redface:

Cities that have approved boycotts of Arizona: :redface:

• Boston
  
• St. Paul, Minn.
  
• Oakland
  
• San Diego
  
• West Hollywood
  
• El Pasa city and country
  
• Boulder, Colo.
  
• Los Angeles
  
• San Francisco
  
• under consideration is Dallas and Milwaukee
  
• Denver Public School
  

In fact, Arizona is hiring a firm to "re-brand" Arizona because it's starting to lose money because of it's racists. It's being shunned by businesses, governments, colleges and tourists. Real economic losses will be felt by its citizens for supporting these measures. What goes around comes around.

its sad you actually support this.... nothing like boycotting fellow LEGAL AMERICAN TAX PAYERS for law breaking illegals.

I don't find the majority of Americans to be well educated in matters of politics, our government or our constitution.

Therefore, that makes them vulnerable to fear-mongering, which the neocons have perfected as a technique. They used it with healthcare, they use it with gays, they use it with a woman's right to choose, and the list goes on.

I continue to work politically to inform and educate people and elect democrats whose agenda I support. And I will work to prevent our country from being taken over by the extremist agenda of the right.

Just because the majority of Americans support this doesn't make it constitutional. I'm sure there was a time in this country (and probably not that long ago) where the majority of americans supported segregation.

your right look how many voted in Obama...

Just because the majority of Americans support this doesn't make it constitutional.

Guess we see clearly where you stand... or is this only when it favors your views?

Karma is a REAL B&^*H ! What goes around comes around !

I'm not sure, but I don't think the hispanic kids were celebrating Cinco de mayo. The problem was the boys wearing the flags were using the ocassion of Cinco de Mayo to make an anti-Mexican statement. I don't think the hispanic kids did anything. It was the principal who took this action to try to avoid things escalating into a fight among the kids. (Though I don't agree with his actions.)

Let's be honest here: a lot of white people are prejudice against hispanics, for reasons I won't debate here. The hispanic kids weren't disrepecting the flag, the flag boys were just looking for trouble. This is getting blown way out of proportion.

Let's be honest here: a lot of Hispanic people are prejudice of white people also.....

Whats this have to do with anything? Why does the race card get pulled out so easily these days?

Maybe these kids were just fed up with society these days being so pc and putting down our own country to satisfy other nationalities?

The school was wrong enough said. Undue attention was brought to the students and blew this way out of proportion. The sad thing is most Hispanics or non Hispanics have no idea what Cinco De Mayo is about anyhow and its not even widely celebrated in Mexico for that matter.

I dont think they are. you will be fine.

Was banded may 07.. lost most first year. went up and down for a bit but moving down again !

lmao how many of those were planted BS by the left !