Setting aside the fact that we now have a black president, b/c I for one am glad that our country has overcome the race issue on this level, are you still glad that you voted for Obama? I didn't vote for him. Nothing to do with his skin color, though.

Prior to the election, I could understand why giving him your vote would play a big part in history, and I knew that people would vote for him for that reason, but I had hoped that McCain was a black man, cause then we could have had a win, win.

Obama's first priority in office was to make darn sure that if you wanted to, you could get an abortion at any time and for any reason. (that speaks volumes to me about his priorities. LIFE means nothing to Him) He broke his campaign promise about ending the war immediately. Now he says within 1 1/2 years. But maybe longer. What about his questionable appointees? BUT THE BIG KICKER WAS THAT RIDICULOUS STIMULUS PLAN!!!!!! If you spend 1 MILLION Dollars a day(A DAY!) for the next 485 years, you would finally finish spending all the money he plans to BLOW! OUTRAGEOUS!!!! Which of you when you are financially in trouble in your household decides to get out the credit cards and go on a spending spree? Would that solve your financial problems, or bring you deeper into the hole??!! Why can't America and Obama see that? He also promised to go LINE for LINE thru the stimulus package and remove ALL pork spending, But there are 9000 Pet Projects in there that have NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy whatsoever! He promised that lobbyists and special interest groups would have NO place in His administration if He were elected. What a LIAR! Now he tells us that within 4 years he will have the National Debt cut in half!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! What a JOKE!!! The most intelligent financial advisors, and not just one, but many, many of them say He is dreaming!! It JUST isn't possible. With the amount of money he is spending in his first 2 months of presidency, we will NEVER be able to repay it. He is putting our children, grandchildren and great, great grandchildren in financial ruin. He has kept the Nation in controversial division rather than uniting us. I know it is difficult now for those who voted for him to admit he is doing everything wrong and he is outrageously spending our tax dollars to the tune of TRILLIONS, because everyone has such high hopes for him or someone like him to 'FIX' things, BUT can you honestly say you're proud of his decisions so far?:wink::eek::thumbup:

Edited March 1, 200917 yr by pattygreen

Canada's system does run smoothly and the city where I live is certainly not crawling with crazed Mao-ists. I am not told what doc I can see, and universal health care has been helpful to me. I have seen our system up close and personal as I have been receiving extensive treatments for cancer. Stateside, this could have cost me a lot of cash, I believe, but up here I have received great care including home visits from nurses and a dietician and a speech pathologist, and all the specialized equipment that I have needed, and the state has covered it all. I get to keep my house. In all fairness, I suspect that the level of care which I have received is due to the fact that I live in a large city. One of the problems Canada has is that we are thinly populated, and hospitals, MRIs, etc are expensive. I suspect that where health care is profit driven, this level of care would not improve any.

I would be inclined to take the negative comments that you hear about universal health care with more than a grain of salt; afterall, you are hearing this via Big Business and they will put their spin on things, won't they.

As for same sex marriages, well, we got that, too, and there was a great outcry at the time but the roof hasn't fallen in. No straight unions were harmed through this measure.

Personally, I am pro same sex marriages. It would seem that homosexuals are born, they do not choose to be that way. This is true of black folks, too. Why then, deny these loving couples the peace and the stability and pleasure that they will achieve through marriage?

Because Canada's population is so small, we have a different relationship to our government than you seem to have to yours. We are more intimately involved and do feel that the state is us and is not our enemy. Under our parliamentary system it is possible to have a minority government; this means that the government is inherently unstable and that it, well, it must remain sensitive to the will of the voter for an election can be called at any time. Voters have long memories, you know. lol

Well said, Green. Our health system is profit driven and has become only affordable for the rich, well-employed or Medicaid for the very poor. That leaves 47 million without health care. As an example. A man without health care cut off two of his fingers with a table saw. The index and middle finger. He saved the fingers. The hospital gave him the price for re-attaching each finger. He would have to pay out of pocket and was only able to afford to re-attach one finger. Is this not crazy? We live in a country where the greedy corporate heads take $350 billion of our tax money to bail them out for their bad financial decisions and then use $20 billion of that money for bonuses - and this man can't afford to get both fingers re-attached. What is wrong with this picture? Nothing, according to the heartless neo-cons. That's the free market. They want to eliminate the middle class in this country and go back to the days of the very wealthy and the very poor - and we are headed in that direction.

My husband died of cancer and I am a breast cancer patient (we were diagnosed 11 months apart) so I understand your struggles with cancer. I hope you are in remission or NED now and wish you well. Those without health care die of cancer at a much higher rate than those with health care. No surprise there, but the neo-cons are just fine with that, too.

If it makes you feel any better Cleo, I do participate on Obama's website and I contributed financially to his campaign war chest. You are right though, he cannot do this all alone or just because we want him to. We must make our wishes known to our other elected officials.

Locally (Texas) it falls on deaf ears most of the time, but I know that at least in Washington, they do read mail from their constituents and many of them respond with serious answers.

It's interesting to note green, that when Bush took office the opposition party didn't jump all over him and accuse him of high crimes and misdemeanors in the media like the Republicans are doing to Obama now.

But when you think about the beginning of Bush's first term you have to remember that Bush wasn't doing anything period. How can you criticize someone who isn't doing anything or even showing his face in public for the most part? You can compain that his frequent absences from the White House are a clue as to how personally invested the man is... in his vacations. And people did complain about that. But not very loudly, and certainly not as much as we should have.

When 9/11 happened, the Republicans put out the word that it was all because of Clinton. They set the stage right then and there for the way they would handle criticism of Bush and they perfected it and expanded on it to such a point that people finally understood the game and threw the bums out.

Well said, Green. Our health system is profit driven and has become only affordable for the rich, well-employed or Medicaid for the very poor. That leaves 47 million without health care. As an example. A man without health care cut off two of his fingers with a table saw. The index and middle finger. He saved the fingers. The hospital gave him the price for re-attaching each finger. He would have to pay out of pocket and was only able to afford to re-attach one finger. Is this not crazy? We live in a country where the greedy corporate heads take $350 billion of our tax money to bail them out for their bad financial decisions and then use $20 billion of that money for bonuses - and this man can't afford to get both fingers re-attached. What is wrong with this picture? Nothing, according to the heartless neo-cons. That's the free market. They want to eliminate the middle class in this country and go back to the days of the very wealthy and the very poor - and we are headed in that direction.

My husband died of cancer and I am a breast cancer patient (we were diagnosed 11 months apart) so I understand your struggles with cancer. I hope you are in remission or NED now and wish you well. Those without health care die of cancer at a much higher rate than those with health care. No surprise there, but the neo-cons are just fine with that, too.

Well, this post is very disheartening to read. If I were that man it would want to make me give the health care system the finger. And he really could, too. Har.

Personally, I am pro same sex marriages. It would seem that homosexuals are born, they do not choose to be that way. This is true of black folks, too. Why then, deny these loving couples the peace and the stability and pleasure that they will achieve through marriage?

Why do people compare the issue of same sex marriage with black people and slavery? They are two different issues. Slaves had a right to be free. And it had nothing to do with their skin color, it was because they are human beings. Homosexuals don't have a right to be married, for marriage is not a human right. Marriage is a GOD ordained covenant between a man and a woman where they say vows before Him. Homosexuality is a sin before God, black skin color is not. Therefore, if homosexuals want to have a relationship with someone of the same sex, that is as committed as a man and a woman who marry, then they need to form their own covenant of some kind. But not marriage. That's God's covenant and he instituted it for MEN and WOMEN. Call it a civil union or whatever name you like, but 'marriage' is already being used.

Whether homosexuals are born that way or not is irrelevent. The act of sex is a choice that every human has. Homosexuals may choose to sleep with the same sex or choose not to.

Marriage is a GOD ordained covenant between a man and a woman where they say vows before Him. Homosexuality is a sin before God, black skin color is not.

wow patty - i TRY to get past many of things i find you say offensive - but this is literally obscene. so my running off to get married in vegas vs the catholic church i was raised/still practice in is not "ordained".??? not real cause i actually filled out my marriage liscense w/a orange crayon. i still kept that crayon...funny:)

i pray your children are 100% perfect in your eyes - very little wiggle room, very little tolerance. can't wait for the day my SIL and partner's marriage is the same as mine & i hope obama is the man to make that happen.

go back and re-read your words - your not current, not releavant, not loving, not understanding, ... all them fabulous words you preach you don't even come close to being the servant you pretend to be.....

We conservatives want limited government, public morality and free enterprise. I believe the government is only supposed to provide services that an individual can not such as military, police, fire, emergency, road care. But instead, it is a fat sow that lazy people suckle from.

I would like to see a prohibition of abortion and same sex marriage licenses, a support of the 2nd ammendment right to bare and keep arms, the death penalty and stronger law enforcement, parental control of education, private medical care and retirement plans, weakening or canceling of failed social support programs, support enforcement of current laws regarding immigration and tightening of border security, lower taxes, a strong national defense, less power for the federal government and more for local and state government, support of laws against pornography, and term limits for gov. employees.

We conservatives .

you conservatives have had 8yrs to have your party....suck it up, your parties over - new man w/a new plan (thank GOD) is in town to right what the MAJORITY...remember obama won by a weee magin,..............want change.

wow patty - i TRY to get past many of things i find you say offensive - but this is literally obscene. so my running off to get married in vegas vs the catholic church i was raised/still practice in is not "ordained".??? not real cause i actually filled out my marriage liscense w/a orange crayon. i still kept that crayon...funny:)

I don't mince words on what I believe. Sorry if it offends you. I didn't say that your marriage is not ordained. I said that marriage is a God ordained institution. Did you say your vows before God? And, 'where' you said them doesn't matter. Who said if you didn't get married in a church, that it wasn't ordained? Not me.

Marriage is an institution that was made and intended only for a man and a woman together.

i pray your children are 100% perfect in your eyes - very little wiggle room, very little tolerance. can't wait for the day my SIL and partner's marriage is the same as mine & i hope obama is the man to make that happen.

My children are not perfect, nor do I ever expect them to be. I am not perfect either, nor do they expect me to be. In my family there is plenty of tolerence. But there are some things in scripture that are black and white and not negotiable as far as God is concerned.

go back and re-read your words - your not current, not releavant, not loving, not understanding, ... all them fabulous words you preach you don't even come close to being the servant you pretend to be.....

The bible is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. God has not changed his viewpoint on the issue of homosexuality, so it is current and relevent. It may not be loving to those who are homosexuals, cause who wants to hear that your lifestyle is offensive to your creator. Not me. I know. My lifestyle was offensive to God for many years as a glutton. It hurt to know that he was displeased with my sin. If what God says about homosexuals living in sin offends you, then your problem is with God, not me.

You get what you vote for. Wait and see.

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nope - your words offend.

i know god loves all - you not so much. i'm also glad i get what i get w/who i vote for & you have to deal. kinda the perfect karma in my world.

i'll send packing material if needed...just sayin'

Why do people compare the issue of same sex marriage with black people and slavery? They are two different issues. Slaves had a right to be free. And it had nothing to do with their skin color, it was because they are human beings. Homosexuals don't have a right to be married, for marriage is not a human right. Marriage is a GOD ordained covenant between a man and a woman where they say vows before Him. Homosexuality is a sin before God, black skin color is not. Therefore, if homosexuals want to have a relationship with someone of the same sex, that is as committed as a man and a woman who marry, then they need to form their own covenant of some kind. But not marriage. That's God's covenant and he instituted it for MEN and WOMEN. Call it a civil union or whatever name you like, but 'marriage' is already being used.

Whether homosexuals are born that way or not is irrelevent. The act of sex is a choice that every human has. Homosexuals may choose to sleep with the same sex or choose not to.

What specific 'word' here offended you? I re- read it all. Was it: marriage not being a human 'right'? Is it: marriage is a God ordained covenant? Is it: homosexuality is a sin? Or is it: that they need to call their relationship something other than 'marriage'? How does any of these words offend you? Like I said, all of these things are what God says about homosexuals and marriage, not me. I personally don't care what anyone else chooses to do. It only bothers me that God himself is offended by our actions.

Now I know why green started calling you battygreen.

"Marriage" is a governmentally recognized and controlled institution. The laws apply differently to "married" people than to single people. For you to want to deny "marriage" to people just because you do not approve of their lifestyle, is gross discrimination. To want our government to exclude a segment of the population by denying them the right to be married is simply wrong. It is discrimination against people - people who are citizens just like you and me.

Keep your religious marriage out of it, if you like. But until the government stops using the term "marriage" it is not solely a religious union in the United States, as you claim. Under the law, it can be just a civil marriage or it can be a civil and a religious marriage combined, but a religious ceremony by itself cannot be considered a legal marriage in the U.S.

So with regard to the law - marriage should absolutely be legal between two consenting adults, gay, lesbian, heretosexual, black, white, yellow, red - and all of the above.

If you want to make the term "marriage" exclusive to religion and certain churches, then your job is to go about changing that law.

But,as it stands, you have no right to discriminate against human beings just because you believe that God, if he were here, would deny something or other that you say he doesn't like, to certain people in our society.

And your attitude is exactly why all those laws that you want included or excluded based upon your religious beliefs, have absolutely no place in this country - land of the free, home of the brave.

And trust me, all of us who voted for President Obama hope against hope that we get what we voted for. God Bless America!

Now I know why green started calling you battygreen.

It doesn't bother me that people call me names. You will notice that I never resort to that though. Some people just adore name calling. To me, name calling is what most counselors call an outlet for a lack of self esteem.

"Marriage" is a governmentally recognized and controlled institution.

The gov. may recognize God's institution if they choose. That doesn't mean it should change it to mean something else it wasn't meant to be.

The laws apply differently to "married" people than to single people.

Then they may write their own laws for their 'civil union' or whatever they want to call it.

For you to want to deny "marriage" to people just because you do not approve of their lifestyle, is gross discrimination. To want our government to exclude a segment of the population by denying them the right to be married is simply wrong. It is discrimination against people - people who are citizens just like you and me.

Yes, I want to deny marriage to anyone unless you are male and female together. But I don't want to deny same sex couples their right to do as they please. Just call it something else. 'marriage' is for a man and a woman. Whether I approve of their lifestyle or not doesn't matter. There are alot of things I don't approve of, but we all have to make our own decisions in life and live with the consequences of them. So, I don't begrudge anyone to live the way they choose.

Keep your religious marriage out of it, if you like. But until the government stops using the term "marriage" it is not solely a religious union in the United States, as you claim. Under the law, it can be just a civil marriage or it can be a civil and a religious marriage combined, but a religious ceremony by itself cannot be considered a legal marriage in the U.S.

I don't understand what you are saying above here.

So with regard to the law - marriage should absolutely be legal between two consenting adults, gay, lesbian, heretosexual, black, white, yellow, red - and all of the above.

If you want to make the term "marriage" exclusive to religion and certain churches, then your job is to go about changing that law.

Why? The term 'marriage' already is and has been since the beginning of time for men and women all along.

But,as it stands, you have no right to discriminate against human beings just because you believe that God, if he were here, would deny something or other that you say he doesn't like, to certain people in our society.

Why is it soooo important to homosexuals to have what their relationship is be called a 'marriage'? They can still live together and have the same rights and privileges as marriages have under the name 'civil union'. It just differentiates between homosexuals and those that are not.

And your attitude is exactly why all those laws that you want included or excluded based upon your religious beliefs, have absolutely no place in this country - land of the free, home of the brave.

This is where I totally disagree wih you. This country was founded by our Christian forefathers who came here to be able to worship God and live by biblical standards. Over time this country is more and more straying fom the truths of God's word. Without the laws of God, we would not have had a base to go by. All of the great first documents of this country were written by God fearing men and they understood that we were 'created'. They did not exclude God or his laws.

And trust me, all of us who voted for President Obama hope against hope that we get what we voted for. God Bless America!

Oh, you'll get what you voted for alright!

A national debt that far outweighs what ANY past president has ever dreamed

of spending. (And all the past presidents put together have never spent that much) Do you understand that with just the stimulus package alone, you could spend 1 million dollars a DAY for the next 480 YEARS, YEARS!!!! and not reach the amount of money that Obama proposed to spend in his first 2 months of being president??!! NO Joke!!! AND he claims to have the national deficit cut in half by the end of his first term. :thumbup: What a dreamer! It's just not possible. Our kids and great, great grandkids will be in debt forever.

When the people turn their hearts away from God and choose to live their own way, He will give them what they desire. So, yes, you will get what you voted for, but in the end you may not like it.