I hope everyone has a great day. Remember, it's not about the food. It's about Christ's birth.

Merry Christmas to all!

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happy Hanukkah!

Yes, and Happy Hanukkah!

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Well, since I'm an Atheist, it's not about Christ's birth to me...cause, well...I don't believe in Christ.

BUT! I do celebrate secular Americana Christmas and Saturnalia....and I'm having a great day with my daughter and hubby....so I wish you a happy holiday as well:)

No matter what your belief...it's a day off work and a great time to hang out with the people we love best:)

Hope everyone enjoys themselves and has a great day:)

Edited December 26, 20178 yr by Creekimp13

Jesus did exist but his birth has nothing to do with December or mid-winter.

It's most likely that Jesus was really born between about August 24th and September 12th given what history has revealed.

I am agnostic and don't stand for the illogical choice people make to put their faith in fake gods in the sky (or elsewhere). Religion is something for the non-scientific people among us to cling to because they fail to see the ability of humankind and our vast range of achievements.

The concept of christmas and its supposed link to Jesus' birth is a confidence trick pulled by the early christians. They were struggling to popularise their religion and the status of its leader, Jesus. They could not get many people to believe that a human could be the son of god (as they claimed).

They, i.e. the christians, noticed how popular the pagan mid-winter festivals were in northern Europe and ancient Scandinavia. The mid-winter solstice (the shortest day) was popular with many pagans as a last festival day before the two or three months of animal hibernation and deep cold ahed for them.

Bit by bit, the christians hijacked the winter festival and aligned their celebration of Jesus' birth with it. Over the next 1400 years they made a dent and grew their religion. Come the medieval times, the reformations and the schisms, Catholicism gave way to both MORE dogmatic and LESS dogmatic versions or christianity.

Anyway, we are stuck with the whole BS connection of christmas to something pagan that was used to give it an imprimatur.

I seriously believe we come here to find support for the life changing surgeries we all had or are going to have. I feel like we need to respect each other's beliefs and just focus on the reason why we came to this page. I just want to share experiences with new people. [emoji4]

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4 minutes ago, Lpz0714 said:

I seriously believe we come here to find support for the life changing surgeries we all had or are going to have.

I think you're right with this introductory statement to your paragraph.

That's what BariatricPal is and is for!

Sadly, some folks use it to promote their businesses, their pyramid schemes and their wacky non-bariatric related ideas. Some of those ideas/ads have been stopped in my 3.5 months here by moderators or the site's 'owner'.

Anyone is able to start a thread about almost anything. When he/she does that, scrutiny or response is okay. There had been much experience of presenting thoughts and having them challenged.

While the majority of people in English-speaking countries are nominally 'christian', very few practise any of the manifold christian brands by going to church or living fully in the ways Jesus or his early followers would expect.

The great majority of people are signed up to the various christian brands without thought. Modern commercialism and marketing promote xmas, easter and other christian days (all stolen from pagans) as a way to profit retail and service industries.

When someone opens a thread with a 'hook' statement about xmas being all about Jesus' birth, it deserves challenge as we have much new knowledge in the last 25 years of Jesus' exact life history.

In the name of fair debate, I made a few points.

I still believe the key role of the site is pre-op and post-op WEIGHT LOSS SUPPORT.

I facepalm (really or figuratively) when I see gullible people follow ANY religion, christian or otherwise. I still respect their choice to use the weight-loss forums (as I do) to glean help for their questions and concerns before and after surgery.

I respect your opinion and I wish you would respect mine.

And the lounge is where anybody can talk about anything, whether wls related or not.

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