I thought I might try to move the hot topic of the new 5:2 diet a few of us long timers are trying here, rather than in the "Gonna Get to Goal, Wanna Join Me?" Thread, so that that thread could go back to its original topic.

I do not have access to the book or video or anything that some of the other 5:2ers have, but I've been to the website and read up and today is my fourth day; so far I've done Fast Normal Fast and now today is a Normal. I aim for 500 on the fasting days but don't seem to make it under 600, and I aim for 1600 on Normals, but don't seem to make it past 1200, so I guess I'm not the poster child for this. Also, the morning after my first fast day, I was down 4 lbs, but the morning after my first Normal day I was up 3 lbs and this morning I was down 3 lbs so - no progress.

Since today is a Normal day I will do my cardio. I will report back what the scale says tomorrow morning!

I've been doing the 4:3 for almost 2 weeks now, 1300 on Norms, 500 on fasts. I haven't lost any weight yet.

Today is a fast day, I've had some lamb curry with brown rice and for dinner I will have some Syntrax Cookies n creme Protein Shake WHICH WAS SENT TO ME BY THE AWESOME FIDDLEMAN!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

Does anyone else notice their mood and temperament change on fast days? I become irritable to the point of belligerence, my head hurts, my body hurts - it's basically like I'm in withdrawal. It worries me.

Globetrotter, it does kinda sound like sugar withdrawal. Presurgery I used to feel that way every 3-4 hours if I didn't eat some high GI carbs. I was constantly eating or else I was miserable. After surgery I broke my addiction to that kind of food and I feel much more even. While I haven't tried the fasting, missing a meal is no big deal to me now like it used to be. I do get hungry but I don't get that shaky, irritable, headachey feeling.

Globetrotter, I've had moments of grumpiness on the fast days... I think because the eating schedule that I've been on since surgery turns out to look a lot like grazing all day. So putting a little bit of distance in between meals has been a little harder than I thought...

I don't feel shaky... But I agree with butter, It might be a good idea to look at your sugar intake.

I felt that way several years ago just like butter said I would feel like I would pass out and shaky if I didn't eat every couple of hours. I read a book about food addiction and decided to cut out all sugars real and fake.. I was surprised at the fact that sugar was even in things that you don't think about like most American breads. Ezekiel bread is good by the way

I cut out just that one ingredient! And the shakes/ lightheaded feelings went away!

That's the downside about a lot of my post surgery habits now fake sugars but as time passes I'm trying to cut those down too.

I've been doing the 4:3 for almost 2 weeks now' date=' 1300 on Norms, 500 on fasts. I haven't lost any weight yet.

Today is a fast day, I've had some lamb curry with brown rice and for dinner I will have some Syntrax Cookies n creme Protein Shake WHICH WAS SENT TO ME BY THE AWESOME FIDDLEMAN!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

Does anyone else notice their mood and temperament change on fast days? I become irritable to the point of belligerence, my head hurts, my body hurts - it's basically like I'm in withdrawal. It worries me.[/quote']

There should be two boxes of post WLS goodies that were sent to you. Hope you like both! Let me know if you need anything else while deployed in Afghanistan. First time I have mailed anything there, but do have to say some things had to be removed because it is a Muslim country.

As for mood, lack of calories can do that. Low nutrients can make daily living a challenge because of what you have described, body and headaches. I have not said anything about the 5:2 yet because I wish success no matter what path you gals decide to take. Honestly, the body was designed to eat at TDEE not only for metabolic balance, but for all sort of anatomy chemical balance. Hence, your body will tell you when it is not getting nutrients, minerals or Vitamins in proper ratios.

I think i am saying the same thing as laura and BTB because your body TDEE globe is used to so many more calories during the day. Fasting is a point of crisis for your body according to what it is used to. Anyway, just a theory and nothing to get that excited about.

Not a scientific statement, but just one out of common sense after living through all kind of crazy dieting in the past and now TDEE eating as a post op. I definitely feel so much more balanced on TDEE then the other forms of dieting. Now there is z place for fasting and low carb dieting as a post op in first 6 months, but not long term, in my opinion. My opinion is probably different then you gals doing 5:2, but there it is.

Hope your aches get better soon.

Well :D

Is all I have too say! I'm feeling good I'm getting ready for a party and the scale is minus another

1.5 pounds??

Mua ha ha ha ha ha!! Variety is the spice of life.

Oh and to everyone do not underestimate the power of Water also

Disclaimer;

this is not for the newly sleeved except the WATER part SIP SIP SIP

Oh and fiddle TDEE and 5:2 room for both

Following along

Oh and fiddle TDEE and 5:2 room for both

Interesting, did not realize that! Great job on the -1.5 lbs.

Thumbs up Laura great job.

Interesting' date=' did not realize that! Great job on the -1.5 lbs. [/quote']

Don't jip me fiddle it was 3.5 pounds this week!

Even more if you count the bounce up I had been having !

"Vertical Sleeve Talk" is like bad reality tv, filled with cat fights and so addicting you can't stop even though you know you should. This is my first experience posting on on line forums and I had no idea how much you can blast other people when you are not face to face. Also, this forum can be dangerous because the advice here is not necessarily medically supported and you can also get caught comparing your weight loss with others. So many posts are about "omg, why am i not losing?" Being a newbie, I am disappointed with this experience. I hope it's just me, and you can be irritated with me all you want because I tried to share my *young* and *naive* experience- omg, how dare she?! I hope other newbies aren't treated with such passive aggressive rage and name calling. Peace out, I'm going to face to face support groups from now on.

"Vertical Sleeve Talk" is like bad reality tv' date=' filled with cat fights and so addicting you can't stop even though you know you should. This is my first experience posting on on line forums and I had no idea how much you can blast other people when you are not face to face. Also, this forum can be dangerous because the advice here is not necessarily medically supported and you can also get caught comparing your weight loss with others. So many posts are about "omg, why am i not losing?" Being a newbie, I am disappointed with this experience. I hope it's just me, and you can be irritated with me all you want because I tried to share my *young* and *naive* experience- omg, how dare she?! I hope other newbies aren't treated with such passive aggressive rage and name calling. Peace out, I'm going to face to face support groups from now on.[/quote']

You seem to be fighting with yourself here...

I'm not really sure what your point is on this thread but can we please go back to the original topic?

Edit;

Exercise is a key component of our lifestyles too.

Before you leave you should hop over to the fitness and exercise forums you will see many of us there too!

I'm reading on this throughput the day today and very much considering it. I'm so tired of losing nothing or less than a lb a week. I didn't get surgery for that, so I don't have any problem with dieting on my diet. If something is broken I try to fix it.

So. What foods do I need to go out and buy for super low cal days?

Amy at your stage I was stoked at a pound a week!! But you know that.

I don't know if I can fully endorse this yet because we all are very new at it still...

I think because you are still eating very low calories already. the idea of having a resting period from the food would be something I would consider if I were you..

I have been so regimented with the same calories and nutrients every day I think my body likes the mixing it up aspect and the resting period..

essentially eating your normal healthy amounts every week but 2 days out of the week tues and Thursday for me I eat 500 calories and make sure there is a fasting time of at least twelve hours before and after...

That I think is key here stop the grazing for a day!

So Monday I don't eat after 7pm Tuesday 2 to three small meals starting at 10 am and eat dinner no later than 7 pm keeping the day at 500 total making wise Protein choices and pushing the water!

I'm not recommending it but its working out well so far

Interesting' date=' did not realize that! Great job on the -1.5 lbs. [/quote']

Fiddle....in nonsleevers, 5:2 can work in a number of ways. You can eat at TDEE on the 5 days and use the 2 fasting days to create a weekly caloric deficit for weight loss. You can also eat above TDEE 1 or 2 of those days to create a caloric balance for maintenance. Often people will lose on 5:2 then go to 6:1 for maintenance. There are a myriad of proven health benefits to fasting that have nothing to do with weight loss, particularly at the cellular level.

As for our bodies being "designed to eat at TDEE"....think about our ancestors. They may have eaten their TDEE, but not everyday. It was feast and famine. But it balances out over time. There is no magic in consuming a certain amount of calories in a 24 hour period, it's a matter of calories in vs calories out over then long haul. That's why you see so many posts on this forum by people who say they ate 600 calories in one day and gained 2 pounds. It isn't just about the one day....it's about the weeks, months and years. And the studies have proven that humans can fast for up to 72 hours straight with no ill effects on metabolism, so a 24 hour fast isn't going to slow it down either.

I personally haven't tried the 5:2 yet but I have done the leangains method of fasting 16 hours a day and having an 8 hour feeding window. It's a very popular method bodybuilders use to get ripped before a show without losing their lean muscle mass. Hugh Jackman used it for the Wolverine movie. The fasting actually increases growth hormone production, so you time your workouts at the end of the fast to get the most muscle growth from the hormones, then start your 8 hour feed right after.

Not something I think any newly sleeved individual should try, but once you're far enough out that you can eat and your body is no longer catabolic, I think it's something to consider.