BethFromVA

LOL, wow! And there you are -- 4,000! Is there some sort of award or button you get for that?

As I've said previously, I have some neighbors who are two of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet. They watch over the older ladies on our side of the street, have watched our dogs when we went on vacation, and are just wonderful people. I would never in a million years refer to them as even gay, much less anything less kind. They are good people who have been together as long as my husband and I have. I've heard them teasingly refer to each other as "fag" and "homo," but it was in situations that were rather funny. I just see them as people, and I would do anything to help them out as neighbors and friends (other than vote for a cause I don't believe in). Perez Hilton put himself out there and verbally assaulted a woman for sticking to her God-given right to her beliefs. He besmirched her by calling her a bitch and a c*nt. He does not deserve the care and respect I feel for my neighbors.

I TOOK responsibility, Nancy! I said it and I'm not sorry that I called Perez Hilton anything. What is that if not responsibility?? If you and a couple others got offended, that is not my responsibility. You can choose to be offended that I called a cretin like him those names or you can choose not to. It's YOUR choice. Besides, if I had a nickel for everything everbody gets offended by, I'd be a rich woman. Offense is the new buzz word, and I don't really care about it, even my own. I will ask again: Were you as offended that this pond scum called a young woman who simply and honestly answered a question asked of her a bitch and a c*nt? I've asked three times now and you seemingly refuse to answer that.

I feel no heat, BJean. This is a simple message board, after all. It doesn't dictate my life.

I honestly don't know how many people live here. I thought it was 4.5 million. So instead, you insulted 7.7 innocent individuals because frankly, you are no different than what you accuse me of being, apology or not. True colors come out through those who say something on purpose AND those who just flippantly toss it out there and then try to take it back. Thank you for proving that. Welcome to the haters' corner. You will be getting your decoder ring and rules to the secret handshake shortly.

Where did I use "broad strokes"?? I called ONE PERSON those names, and I only mean them towards that ONE PERSON. Okay, often I feel the same towards Rosie O'Donnell, but that's another story. You mean your hate speech where you essentially attacked an entire state of people who are innocent in all of this? And you say I am about hate speech?? Hm, my attack was against one person. Yours was aimed at about 4.5 million. Nice. But thank you for showing YOUR true colors.

Like Socal, your "angry language" has been directed at me and other posters here that you have disagreed with. You can't separate the conversation from the individual you disagree with and tend to eventually make it personal when you can no longer argue the facts of the conversation. Granted, I'm not saying I've never responded in kind, but Socal making her comments personal because she doesn't like that I called ONE person some names is rather silly. I have used no derogatory language towards anybody here who has posted their feelings. I called ONE homosexual those two derogatory names. If others find it distasteful, they are as welcome to find it so as I am to consider it fitting for that ONE individual.

Socal, this isn't about me, and you have no power to keep me on any "hook". I know you want to MAKE it about me, but it's not. And me calling some idiot who called this poor woman a bitch and a c*nt, yet YOUR issue is with ME calling him a fag and a flame speaks VOLUMES. So I guess that makes him a hater as well? Whatever, your answer really doesn't interest me.

Aren't you precious. When all else fails, make this personal against another poster. For what it's worth, I'm a transplant here.

Okay, then prove me wrong. Which state is it that rejected gay marriage, yet the judicial branch usurped the people's vote and instituted it anyway? One of the very few states which have it ONLY has it because of this detestable maneuver. Look if a state like CALIFORNIA couldn't even pass it, that says a lot. Yes, I rely on information I read and polls I've seen, and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether this is a "Christian nation" or not. The majority of people, if put to a vote, would vote against it. It's been struck down more than it's been accepted, and in very left-wing states, to boot. That tells me that mainstream America will not go for it.

Like I said, did you take issue with him calling her a bitch and a c*nt, simply for stating her opinion when asked?

I would do more online if I could, but Mason doesn't have them in my field(s) of interest. Trust me, I checked with my advisor on this. LOL However, I took as many online gen-eds as I could, so I'm done. I'm taking a 6-week mini-mester in conversational Spanish that ought to be "fun..." Two nights a week, over 3 hours each class. Ugh. But I will be done in 6 weeks, so there is a trade-off.

Dear, there was no "slipping out." I specifically and purposely called him those names. And I have no issue in doing so. He's that and worse.

I have called Perez Hilton ONLY a fag and a flame. Did you take issue with him calling Miss California a bitch or a c*nt? My true colors is I hate that "thing" with a passion. He deserves far harsher than "fag" or "flame," trust me. I've been restrained.

I think you're mixing up two things that I said. You seemed to be asking two different things, one having to do with lying to pageant officials, and one asking what God thinks about what she did. I said that it DOES matter if she lied. If she did (and right now it's not looking too good for her, though I have only seen one picture), then yes, she should lose her crown. As to the question about answering to God, that is for her to do, not be scrutinized by us for what she will have to answer to God for. They are two separate issues. I wish I could believe that is true, but you say it is, so I will accept that and move on. However, if she had answered "correctly," this would never even come up. I have no doubt about that at all. I don't know what the rules are on this, so I guess I'll have to look into this. If I was her, I wouldn't WANT to represent such a screwed-up state as California anyway. She IS being punished by a small minority who are zealots on this topic. And yes, the majority (no quotes) of Americans do not support gay marriage. Well, for one, that the majority of Americans (again, no quotes) do not support gay marriage. Or that she should be commended for sticking to her convictions regardless of what you feel about the answer she gave. If she was from any other state than California (except perhaps Massachusettes and whatever the other state is that has legalized gay marriage), this probably would also be a non-issue.

That is true, you could.

Socal, I'm not aware of four pics, but if there are, then yes, she still answers to God on this. She doesn't answer to you or me or pageant officials or that pond scum Hilton. SHE knows what God would say about that behavior, and it DOES matter. However, it doesn't affect anybody but her. And you and I BOTH know why they are digging up all they can on her, and it's because she gave the "wrong" (to some) answer. Had she said that gay marriage was her hope and dream, you know damn well these photos would 1) never be dug up and/or 2) never be released. The fringe left has an uncanny way of punishing those they don't like by using against them the very things they say they are all for. The fact that you don't see (or acknowledge) this does not surprise me.

Omg, hon, DO IT!!! I'm in school now too. I take one more class this summer to be done with all my basics/gen-eds (essentially what would be needed for an Associates), and in the fall I will go back to George Mason for my Bachelor's. I started out there in January of last year and then in the summer moved over to the community college to get my basics done and out of the way for a lot less money. I'm contemplating asking DH if, by the time fall sessions start, if I don't have a job, should/could I just give up on work and go to school full time to get done. Doing two classes a semester while working full time is a bit difficult, especially since I won't be able to do any more online classes, campus is 30 miles away, and on average I was getting home about 11:00 pm on a work night and working all through my weekends on homework. Hubby and friends could not grasp why I couldn't go out riding motorcycles and having fun with them when I had on average 10- to 20-page papers due each week between the two classes. :grouphug: Granted, August is a long way off, but I dunno... I'd almost rather get it done and over with. Then I could hit the workplace with a degree (if that's even worth anything these days -- a friend said a Bachelor's is pretty much akin to having a high school diploma these days... :thumbsup:). But for me, it's as much about knowing I DID IT. I will be the first in my family that I know of with a college degree. My SIL just got her Bachelor's, and most of it was done online and took her seven years. I've already been at this off and on for waaaay too long. I'm ready to be done.

Wait... MAYO?? Why?? And I have to say, there is nothing worse than a tranny man who is more beautiful than a woman. Just unnatural. And oh so disappointing. And discouraging. And just... sad. :thumbsup:

Yes, but usually it was bad behavior outside the pageant or comments made outside the pageant. To me, it's very different when one is asked an OPINION on the stage, it is given, and because it is not popular to some, she becomes maligned and beaten up for giving her OPINION. So... you condone lying in order to further one's personal benefit rather than sticking true to one's belief? Sounds rather shallow and, oh I dunno, fake. But no matter the answer, BJean, it IS a controversial subject! Just because SOME companies out there may want to have a homosexual-promoting queen, others would not. It's not like somebody asking, "Do you think we should bring back the practice of sacrificing babies to the gods," and she says, "Omg, yes, I think that would be a great thing to bring back!" NOBODY would be behind such a thing. BUT... homosexuality has people (and corporate sponsors) on BOTH sides of that issue, and no matter the stance she took, there would be corporate sponsors who would not want to subsidize pageants regardless of the answer. It was a loaded question, pure and simple, put out there by a vicious queen himself. Yes, but again, it was due to a choice she made, not a question she was asked on the stage. Very true. And regardless of how "popular" many want us to believe this topic is (as in "most" people are for it), it has been proven time and again, and even surprisingly in CALIFORNIA of all places, that people are overwhelmingly not willing to support this. I know here in DC there was a huge brouhaha the other day over the possibility that DC will recognize people married in other states. Yes, it's a hot topic because SOME want to make it bigger than it is, but in reality, most of America is not willing to support it. Miss California DOES represent MOST Americans, and even the pageant people know this. Poor Miss Cali. Her friends and family probably goaded her into making the decision to "expose" herself with the answer she gave. That makes no sense, BJean. She didn't even know what question she was going to be asked or by whom. Did she want the crown? I'm sure she DID. However, did she want it enough to go against her principles and beliefs? Nah, she didn't. That's what some of you people don't get -- SOME are able AND willing to put their faith before what's popular to some. She answers to God, not man. It's what I said about my stance on the matter. Even if you don't agree with her answer, to not recognize that she went against what she probably knew immediately would be required of her (to give the popular answer) and stuck to her belief, all the while being called a b*tch and a c*nt by that fag Hilton (and he IS a fag -- not because he's gay but because he chose to be a fag after not getting the answer he wanted, throwing a fagalicious temper tantrum) says a lot about her character even if you don't agree with her stance. If more people did that, maybe we'd be a better society.

Do you know if there is more than just the one? Dirty.com showed the pic (or maybe one of the pics) in question, and I would think if there were more, they would have shown them.

When I heard about these "racy pics," I thought there was WAY more to "them" (which I found was only one, it seems) than there is. It's just ridiculous -- I've seen more on primetime television, for cryin' out loud. If that's her past, it's still tamer than most. What got me when looking through some of her older pics (I think it was for the Miss California contest) was her pubis bone! Omg, it's either so prominent -- or she needs to shave BADLY -- that it almost looked like she had a rolled-up male member in there! :thumbsup: If that's true, that's pretty crappy since SHE had no control over the question that flame Hiltonn asked her. But then again, that's the way some of these people are. Had she answered "correctly," there would be NO investigation (or rumor of one) into "speaking out for causes without permission." I guess they're going to make an example out of her to ensure that NOBODY ever gives their true opinion on a matter when asked. I think it's a very shitty way to handle this. Nobody needs to agree with her, but the fact is, she WAS asked.

Omg, I'm giggling out loud over here! :grouphug:

Whoa... lol :thumbsup: Heck, I'd just be happy to be riding my motorcycle. It about needs water wings about now with all this rain. THAT'S an understatement! :grouphug:

Well, summer (in Houston, anyway) seems to start about March and ends sometime in November, so... Kinda how like Michigan's winters start in August and end sometime in June, right Babygurl? :thumbsup: