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So if I am understanding... there is less filth now? Just checking, because your statement seems ABSURD. Really, bizarre - and obscure. So Bush's war on civil liberties is as important to society as the abolishment of slavery? I'll agree that what Bush is doing is important, but not in the same way that you will. It NEEDS TO STOP. *shaking fist* Damn that damn freedom of damn speech! People are responsible for so much damn smut when they can voice them(damn)selves without fear of litigation and imprisonment. Damn! Luckily we are well on our way to getting that little obstacle taken care of. If you want, I'll cite references later. I have to go for now. Take care peeps

The Clinton era was hardly a time of national crisis with record economic growth and record unemployment lows. Stockholm wouldn't apply. And you would still be in the minority, I kinda liked the adulterous fool.

Maybe I should stop, I don't want to become predictable.

Actually it's sad. People have to take sides. Misplaced hostility from the civilians has polarized the loyalties of the troops. Either that or, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Perhaps... Is the US going to remove it's military presence in all the other countries?? I might slide right - if they follow through. Wait, you didn't state which one was the enemy. Iraq? or the non-Iraqi insurgents? Maybe Iran? I got it N Korea, right? It's kind of like we said, hmm... "We don't want to fight the insurgents on their own soil, or ours for that matter. Lets hold the war in Iraq and clean up while we are at it." Facetious spin, sorry.

So she was telling the author of the article to 'get a life'? Same ad hominem. I did not feel attacked, but the statement was not constructive in the least. Neither is this one, or yours, actually. Sheesh, you've got me doing it.

It's alright TommyO. Thanks, I love when smart guys rush to my defense. Although Gailannr's post was rude and unintelligent, I was not personally offended. Gailannr - "get a life", for the record, is Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument. You are going to have to do better if you want us to see your side of things.

Since we're now talking oil, I thought I'd post this article. If you want to move on to 'wealth re-distribution through military spending' I'd be happy to post an even better one. War on Terror looks like a fraud by John Gleeson April 14, 2007 Winnipeg Sun Editor's Note The following report, which acknowledges that the war on terrorism is a fraud, was published in one of Canada's mainstream daily newspapers, The Winnipeg Sun. Canada's military involvement in Afghanistan largely rests on the shaky premise that Canadian troops are fighting a "war on terrorism". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contrary to the "patriots" who try to use the deaths of our soldiers in Afghanistan to stifle debate on Canada's involvement in the War on Terror, I would say that as new evidence presents itself, we would indeed be cowards to ignore it simply because we've lost troops in the field and are therefore blindly committed to the mission. And new evidence is piling up around us, arguably strong enough to declare the whole War on Terror an undeniable fraud. Virtually ignored by mainstream media, the Americans showed their hand this year with the new Iraqi oil law, now making its way through Iraq's parliament. The law -- which tens of thousands of Iraqis marched peacefully against on Monday when they called for the immediate expulsion of U.S. forces -- would transfer control of one of the largest oil reserves on the planet from Baghdad to Big Oil, delivering "the prize" at last that Vice-President Dick Cheney famously talked about in 1999 when he was CEO of Halliburton. "The key point of the law," wrote Mother Jones' Washington correspondent James Ridgeway on March 1, "is that Iraq's immense oil wealth (115 billion barrels of proven reserves, third in the world after Saudi Arabia and Iran) will be under the iron rule of a fuzzy 'Federal Oil and Gas Council' boasting 'a panel of oil experts from inside and outside Iraq.' That is, nothing less than predominantly U.S. Big Oil executives. "The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq's oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements, which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically U.S.) Big Oil. Sixty-five of Iraq's roughly 80 oilfields already known will be offered for Big Oil to exploit." While the U.S. argues that the oil deal will give Iraqis their shot at "freedom and stability," the International Committee of the Red Cross reported this week that millions of Iraqis are in a "disastrous" situation that continues to deteriorate, with "mothers appealing for someone to pick up the bodies littering the street so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them on their way to school." Four years after the invasion, it's becoming pretty clear that Iraq has been "pacified" solely for the purpose of economic aggression. Humanitarian considerations are moot. The awful plight of Iraq's one million Christians, who have no place in the new Iraq, underscores this ugly truth. Afghanistan, meanwhile, has given the U.S. a strategic military beachhead in Central Asia (which "American primacy" advocates called for in the '90s) and it was quietly reported in November that plans are being accelerated for a $3.3-billion natural gas pipeline "to help Afghanistan become an energy bridge in the region." With many Americans (including academics and former top U.S. government officials) now questioning even the physical facts of 9/11 and seriously disputing the "militant Islam" spin, with the media more brain-dead than it's been in our lifetimes, now is not the time for jingoism and blind faith in the likes of Cheney, George W. Bush and Robert Gates. Our young men are worth more than that -- aren't they, Mr. Harper?

If you want to find a few more locals, try PNW_Bandsters (pacific northwest) in Yahoo! Groups. We have a little get together in Silverdale once a month. This month is on the 22nd at 1pm. We meet at the Silverdale Bistro in 'Old Town' across from the park. Cute little wine/martini/coffee bar with comfy couches. We have a spankin' newbie, , a not-so-newbie, a veteran, and me, a spasm princess. Our other ladies come and go and are generally at about 1 year. Drop in, or write for directions. We love new faces! There are a couple of sisters in Port Orchard banded by Dr. Oh, they have had incredible success and are starting their own group (?). Don't worry Cindy. The first few months are for learning about how to work the band. Getting restriction can be difficult, but is the key to easier weight loss.

Fluoro is so great! It is a live action x-ray. You will probably have your band checked with fluoro before you even leave the hospital. They locate your port, stick you, and sit you up. Then you drink barium. If you are having a fill done, they inject saline until they see "restriction" occurring on the monitor. Blind fills rely on your perception of restriction, by drinking Water. There are many more needle sticks involved. I left my blind fill with an empty band (the doc missed my port and injected my fill into my abdomen) and a bruise as big as my hand. My best band-buddy has NEVER had a fluoro fill and has had perfect weight loss.

Me too. My surgeon anchored the band to my diaphragm. The diaphragm is responsible for hiccups. I couldn't burp without a hic for months...

Hi, I am Brenda in Kitsap. I have all my fills done with Dr. Neal's staff. Is Kitty really getting fluoro? Does the mean she will start using longer needles? It'll be worth the drive. I was banded in MX by Dr. Kuri. Love him, but he places his ports deeply and on the waistline. Kitty, last time I spoke with her, only would do fills for those bandsters who could easily feel their ports. Please feel free to PM if you have questions; or want to come to our little bandster-led support group in Silverdale. Hey Lucygirl? I have a little bad news for you. In the first month some people actually gain. With swelling, and the mushies diet, most people lose less than 20 lbs. before the first fill. The fills get the little bugger working.

And that is very probably part of the same problem. Global warming is a cruddy name for what is going on. More accurately, climate change. The (admittedly small) change in temp is altering weather patterns on the large scale. Our weather here is gorgeous, just like summer. Last week, two zipcodes away, they had snow. Quirky.

:kiss2: Thank You :clap2:

http://www.lapbandtalk.com/showthread.php?t=6847&highlight=sandyrn We aren't the only ones who found her distasteful. I remember that she "moderated" my surgeons board "at his request"... Right about the time she told me I needed to schedule a flight because I had a leak, I gave up on my surgeons support board.

The only reason I use OH at all is the clothing exchange, and I didn't get the last item after I'd sent shipping. Hope she's alright... I noticed right away that the boards are highly populated by RnY'ers. Love me some LBT and B2G!

Spasms are in the esophagus. The pouch contracts and locks down. Mine does it too, but tnot the the same degree. My band is sensitive and responds to sensation. If I consume something that the band can feel, it spasms. I actually have an easier time with solids than liquids. It is much worse when I am tense, so fills are usually a waste of time and money. I lock in spasm when the barium hits and it is very hard to see adequate restriction. I have never been so irritated as to vomit blood, but I am familiar with the irritated throat lump. Hugs, WASaBubbleButt

I understand the panic thing. My second fill was IDENTICAL! I had been bargain shopping for docs and found a blind fill for almost $200 cheaper. I went in for my fill and came out with what I thought was a fill. No restriction at all, so I splurged for a fluoro fill and my band was empty. Leak, right? Panic. My blind fill doc emptied my band but was never in the port (the second time) to give my fill back. Oops. I was only 2.5 hours away. Sorry you are having fill issues, with luck, it is just a headache like mine. now for the book answer... It can take up to two weeks to adjust to the new fill. Restriction MAY still sneak up on you.

You should never feel bad about calling the doc. That is why you pay them. My port was off-set, but I had swelling and scar tissue under my port incision. The question is doctor specific because there are many port sites and as many doctor opinions as to post-op care. At day 8 are you on full liquids? My docs definition of full liquids was essentially anything you could get up a straw (within reason). Some people are still on Clear Liquids on day 8. If this is you, the strained Beans & rice is a no-no. I understand the aversion to sweetness. I was in the same place. You shouldn't worry about stretching your pouch until you have a fill. Some people have been told to limit liquid meals, but I wasn't. It was about the healing, and getting enough Water. My bandages were supposed to stay dry and on for 14 days or until they fell off on their own. Again, call the doc because if you run into trouble later on, you'll be glad for the relationship. Plus, the peace of mind is priceless. Welcome, Brenda

I voted 'No'. Not because I advocate physical discipline, but because it is not the governments responsibility to 'parent, parents'. Child abuse is already illegal and I agree that that is a great law. I love the idea that all wrong and hurtful things should be illegal, but in practice, it is just impractical. The government is too big and stupid now, more laws just make it messier, bigger and less efficient. ..has this already been said? I didn't review before posting.

I didn't have much trouble and my little girl was barely two when I was banded. The bending over was troublesome, but with just a little help and a little slacking you should be up to full speed within a week or two. Congrats on your upcoming bandsterhood!

1) They are going back up, not sure yet about the menorah. News in 15 minutes. 2) Paper plates?!? W-T-F-! 3) In my sex-ed class (5th grade) we watched "Silent Scream". I doubt a scarier pro-life film was ever put together. Wonder if the PTA was in on that little tidbit?

How scary! My DH and I are discussing the possibility of a round 2. You will definitely be in my thoughts. Please keep us informed, alright?

I also was banded in Mexico. I get my fills with Dr. Neal's staff. I can tell you that it is the only place in the area where your fills are done with fluoroscopy. They charge $350 for us foreigners, but $150 for Neal's patients. I have never met with the doctor, but love his staff. I only wish I could afford to maintain restriction. Luckily, I will be getting an adjustment for Christmas. Woo Hoo. meet you there?

I'm in Kitsap county and was banded by Dr. Kuri in Mexico. Great surgeon, great price, but I do regret not having more of a support system close to home. My fills are $350 with Dr. Neal in Olympia (fluoroscopy) and I am having limited success after 4 fills. $350 x 4 = $$$$ I am getting a fill for christmas, yay! Mexico is a great place to find experienced surgeons, but aftercare is a bear to find. Flying to Mexico hasn't been as easy as it sounds.