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@@Hey Man I mean maybe down the line. I am 9 months out. If I eat Protein first. I don't have room for anything else right now. I didn't eat rice before surgery and I don't eat it now. I will sometimes have riced Cauliflower as my side item. 3 oz of spinach is 20 calories and a lot of spinach. I have my veggies as Snacks between my protein meals but i don't eat them with my meals. I know someone who had bypass and 2.5 years out they can eat like a normal person just smaller. I think most people with the sleeve are like that also. Honestly, you are focusing on the wrong things. How much food you can eat and when should not be what makes you decide on surgery. Your health and quality of life should be the deciding factors. Right now I can walk into any store and shop for clothes. I can fit comfortably in seats everywhere. I have a ton of energy and I am more active with less stress on my body. I really don't give a damn about food. I have so many other great things going on in my life, that food is my fuel so I can do all the the other things. I don't have to worry about the pain in my knees, back, or diabetes and high blood pressure anymore. My biggest concern right now is how many times I can wear my new clothes before they are too big, And that is a great "problem" to have.

We talked about it here http://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/360260-ketogenic-diet/ I eat Keto. It is nice to follow post-op. It is hard to get the fats in really. I keep my carbs low easily and my Protein goals I meet daily. If I fall short on fat, it isn't the end of the world.

You can pretty much eat everything you like in moderation if you cook. There are healthy on plan substitutions for everything. I have hot wings and pizza and all kinds of things but I cook them myself from scratch, they are low carb, nutritious and fit in with my plan. I plan my calories and macros for the day so I can have what I want. I thought pre-op there was this possibility of a post-op deprived life, but my life and food choices are so much richer now. I eat high quality delicious food. When you only eat 4 oz at a time, the choice cuts of meat because suddenly easily affordable. Filet Mignon is surprising cheap when you are eating it in small portions. Lobster is a feast, etc. You do have to adjust your attitude about food though, and if you are using food as some kind of emotional crutch you need to work that out before surgery. BTW at 9 months I can only eat 2 chicken wings. What makes a chicken wing really varies these days since some of them are huge, but 2 and I am full, I might be able to have 2.5. skip the sugary sauce and just use a hot wing sauce with no sugar. no carbs, tons of flavor and lots of crunch. They look and taste fried.

A lot of it I think is kind of pointless and will just create unnecessary stress for people. Trying to learn to sip Water is really pointless. The way you can and will drink pre and post surgery are completely different. It really isn't something you can practice. Then there are other variables to drinking water like the temp post op. Creating a healthier relationship with food and getting off soda or alcohol pre-surgery are good ideas, you won't feel so deprived after surgery. A lot of things you experience post op, you can't mimic before surgery. Mainly because how you feel is so important. A tiny stomach that doesn't get hungry is very different from a normal stomach. Keeping your stress levels low are an important part of weight loss also, so creating additional stress can be counterproductive.

Well I can't give age appropriate advice because I dress like I am in my 20s. I also look like I am in my 20s, I hope it lasts. Anyway, don't buy goal clothes or shoes. Your body is probably different and when you lose you will look different. Also you may lose so rapidly you pass that goal up and never get to wear to wear it. I buy myself mini goal gifts. Tom Ford perfume, Armani lipstick, etc. Size goals might really drive you crazy. I am already basically at the size I hoped to be, but I still have at least 60lbs to go, so I am going to drop a few more sizes.

All of my thin friends shop constantly and clear their closets out on a seasonal basis. I think a lot of people think some problem are only fat people problems when they are universal to certain people. Women who like to shop, shop a lot regardless of size.

Mine was like @JamieLogical. I spent a lot on all the things to prevent it and met my Protein goals every single day from day 2 of surgery. Nothing stopped it. At 9 months my hair is growing back very rapidly. It sucked but its over and I don't even care now.

My post-op instructions say no lifting over 15lbs. And seriously I doubt you will be able to lift her. You use your core so much for lifting even if you don't realize it, and your muscles will have been cut.

@ If no one should take these posts serious, why is your back in a hump?

You are going to need help. You aren't going to be able to lift the toddler and you sure as heck won't want them crawling all over you. You are going to be sore sore sore. I felt like I did 1000 crunches. I wasn't in pain but I was sore. A toddler isn't going to understand that Mommy is sore. Also you are eating so little, and your body is using so much energy to heal, you are not going to have a lot of energy. Right after surgery you get tired fast. Do you have a friend or relative that can help? You are going to be exhausted with a fresh 2 year old and surgery.

@@MzStockton didn't ask for help that I can see. She just posted a visual statement about not being able to finish all her food as presented to her which is something we can all relate to, if we eat in our Dr directed time slots. @ This is a public forum, anyone can comment on anything you say. You can't pick and choose what people respond to. What you are doing is not recommend or optimal. I would hate for some new person to read your posts and think this is normal. Lots of people lurk on these forums, posting and responding to other posters helps more people than just the people posting in the thread. 3 hour meals are not normal or advised for WLS patients.

@@JamieLogical Is totally correct. Now people with bypass, have malabsorption, which work the best early on. The further from surgery they get, their body adjusts and it lessens. The honeymoon people talk about is really the time when the tool is doing most of the work and you are forced into eating decent because you are healing and adjusting. It is really just the time you are healing and should be labeled as such. while people have this really strong support of their tool to keep them on track, they should establish good habits while they still have their safety net to catch them. I'm 9 months out. My experience has been the first 6 months I was still healing, so my portions were limited and my tolerance to foods was sensitive. At the 6 month mark, like my Dr told, I was fully healed and it was like a switch flipped with my sleeve. I could eat more, I could tolerate more. If I hadn't established healthy lifestyle habits that I liked and enjoyed, it would have been really easy to slip back into old habits. I think the biggest mistake people make during the healing phase is adding slider foods into their diet because they are easier to digest and you don't have to watch your portions to prevent feeling full (which is really not pleasant). If you add them in during the healing phase, when you are fulling healed, you will be able to binge on them at the same level as a person that hasn't been sleeved.

I'm actually trying to help you. I'm not being rude. You are just taking it the wrong way. If it takes you 3 hours to finish a meal, you are eating 9-12 hours a day. How are you getting your fluids in? This makes no logical sense to people reading it.

Eating every 3 hours and having a meal last 3 hours are two totally different things. Most of us eat every 2-3 hours. It just doesn't take 3 hours to finish a meal. The idea you should finish eating in 20 minutes is one of the few WLS standards. Every disagreement isn't negative. This is the internet people are going to disagree.

OMG an excel spreadsheet? How have I not thought of that before. I am going to code a database for my clothing and accessories tonight! Thanks for the idea.

@@future Mrs I have hot wings 2-3 times a week. I make them myself. You can make them taste fried just cooking them in the oven. Make them like that and just use Red Hot Wing sauce as the sauce. No carbs.

Some people are just shoppers regardless of size. I like to wear current season clothing. When I get a little older, I will invest in Chanel and St John suits. Until then, I am going to buy trendy seasonal clothing and donate it when I am tired of it. I take so many selfies in things, and go out in my clothes a lot, I usually only wear an item once anyway. You should try Rent the Runway unlimited. I am going to try it for the summer, since I have so many social engagements. It will save me a fortune. You live on the coast, it should work really well for you. https://www.renttherunway.com/unlimited Shopping is my cardio and my #2 hobby after travel. Never going to stop till I am in the grave. Clothes aren't my issue though, fine leather goods in the form of shoes and purses are. That is where the $$$$$ really stacks up.

@@PatriotFan Yeah a meal shouldn't last longer than 20 minutes. 3 hours is just grazing.

You can. I do sometimes but its just a sip or two. You really won't want to. Drinking with a meal can mean being full, and being full for most of us is uncomfortable and something we try to avoid. You might have a sip or two to help something go down, but you aren't going to sit and chug Water and eat. I'm sure that changes the further out you are. It is one of those things you can do, like we can do a lot of things post-op, it just depends on if you should and do you want to.

We are equating STDs to WLS surgery now? I knew someone would go off the deep end. Didn't have to wait long. Having a STD can affect the other person. If one person can only eat 4 ounces of steak on a dinner date, that has nothing to do with the other person. The fact that people eating proper portions freaks other people out so much illustrates exactly what is wrong with our country and how people think about food.

My Dr support staff isn't everything I wanted. I wasn't impressed with them. They weren't the important part though. I wanted a surgeon that could offer a good surgical result, since that is the most important part. I felt I found that surgeon. The rest of it is readily available other places. If you think your Surgeon is very capable and the best available. I would stick with him, and get nutritional support elsewhere. If you don't think he is the best, then find someone else. The only person that really needs impressive credentials here is the one that is cutting you. The rest of them are expendable. Even if they give you an exact plan to follow, that plan might not work for you. A lot of really successful people here are not following their plan once they are healed. And a large number of people are never given a Protein goal.

I find that servers in restaurants are pretty frantic when you don't eat all of your food. It really freaks them out. I guess they think you are going to leave a bad yelp review. Still that was really rude of her to say. I would have wrote her a note on the check. Anyway, I was dating a guy shortly after surgery. My hormones were raging and I couldn't resist dating. It was really serious then it fizzled out. I am really glad I didn't tell him I had surgery. I would be pissed that he knew any more person information about me. I eat like a small eater/thin person. I really don't eat much less than women like my grandmother. Portions are so out of control now, people have no idea what a real portion is. I grew up in a home with juice glasses, and a juice glass was 4 ounces. He was annoyed sometimes that I ate so little of meals he paid for, which looking back was a huge warning sign. What difference does it make? I hate cheap people. If you want a real relationship, then you need to be honest about who you are. Since I have decided that I want something real with someone in the future, I won't be intimate or tell someone those types of person things about me until they have been thoroughly vetted, and we are really heading towards something serious. Like an exclusive relationship. This comes up on here a lot. Some people have no issues with telling, a lot of the guys that post here have certain opinions on it. The guy I was dating never asked me about my scars, there is only one noticeable one anyway (yay! Vitamin E). My boobs are big enough that holds the attention of most men. So TLDR, I have no good advice. Good luck.

I get to go boxes because people seem so offended if you don't and I just toss them in the trash before I walk in the house. Never going to eat leftovers, especially from a restaurant. The wasting food is hard to get used to but I think it is an important thing to accept because it helps prevent you from overeating especially if you didn't fix your plate.

You are only 2 months out. At 6 months you should be able to get enough Protein in easily to gain muscle. A lot of the guys around here have, hopefully they respond.

@@JamieLogical Maybe you are just anxious because you know it means a break from running, which you seem to love.