TheWatcher

I know we all think it but did you have to bring this up? it depresses me.

I don't want them to shut up .... as far as how they want to spin something do what you do boo boo but when they start (as they do) outright lying and making things up i have a problem. I shouldn't have to look something up after seeing on the NEWS and find out that its either False or Completely MADE FUCKING UP. that is my issue with fox news ... and thats not mho thats a fact bill o and other have been caught in outright lies or flat out MAKING SHIT UP and for any news agency that is unacceptable. Fox news has run stories that EVERY other news agency from cnn to the bbc and cbs to the AP and Reuters has dis proved or just flat out called BS. SO yes let them have their voice but stop making stuff up and lying to have their way. and again bias= typical Lying and making stuff up=reprehensible and while they are at it they could stand to jump off the W bandwagon. i also find it funny that you throw John Steward in there who works for COMEDY CENTRAL who never makes fun or cracks a joke about one side of the issue without getting at the other side too... Buts Seriously hes a "Political Satirist" he is not a News anchor. Hes is not held to the same standard and a supposed NEWS AGENCY. Yea from time to time i have seen Olbermann get it wrong but the thing is .... he apologizes and corrects himself. and hows this for just getting the right wing side of things : referencing the first vid i posted from fox news to you a congratulatory dap is now to be known as a "terrorist fist jab" if you can spin that one ericalyn you get the right wing debater of the year award. and to answer the question of if that makes them irrelevant ... no it doesn't and great quote my uncle used to use Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

why is that?

lol its not even the bias that im mad about they blatantly lie double talk and curve stories to the right. that's a practice that i dont see from other news networks. even ABC dont like about the stories they report on and ther seem to be generally right wing as well.

not trying to make this a habbit but when talking about fox news i get on a roll. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6cCYhOvdUc]YouTube - Olbermann: Fox News moderation approves of Racism[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpdlfzEN_J0]YouTube - Fox Calls Obama's Fist Bump a "Terrorist Fist Jab"[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gh6r5ALVMo]YouTube - Fox News Edits Criticism of McCain Out of Daily Show Clip?[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfy20gFChhI]YouTube - Fox News Creates Obama Contradiction That Isn't There?[/ame] I just found this link and well the video is pretty good ... but if anyone need proof that fox news is biased i have a entire youtube account devoted to the fact. have i mentioned how much i appreciate the people who are contributing to this thread... it gives me a lot of conversation starters and provokes thought don you think.

I take a couple days off and i have page(s) to real ... lol Ericalyn ... hmmm:huh2: I red your list:whatchutalkingabout:blink::confused2: ... did u just read and post that or did you do a little fact checking for your self.... i saw 5 that were in you list but were disproved by the media his books and his colleagues in the senate. Just because it is written doesn't make it true... I mean some people think that accurate news comes from fox news channel and the drudge report.... and we all know that those are repeatable news sources. for crying out loud billO:rolleyes: is probably the exact opposite of what news is and i see alot of his talking points in your post.... so im just curious Bjean again you rock...:behindsofa:

my God... You get it... :thumbup:you really get it i owe you a beer:thumbup: Im sot really sure what else to say ... thank you i remember some of the post... there was a lot of info shared i think you are right on the money:tt1:

I remember when i first created this post i was frustrated because my father ( who was in the Civil Rights Struggle) was so pessimistic about Obama s candidacy that i literally depressed me. I mean honest to God I never thought that i would see this day in my lifetime... simply on the basis that i know the history and i know the recent past and it hasn't been too positive of a out look. I am play uncle to 9 neices and nephews and to thing that when they hear me or their parent say that you can be anything you want in this world if you live right and work hard enough and not have it laced with complete BS...:thumbup: i mean it make me want to go into my old neibor hoods and telling some of the people i once knew who never thought working hard is worth it, i want to grab them point and Hillary and Obama and say look at them... the times have changed ... there are more options. the only thing that i can wish more for at this point is please God let him win the Big Show.:tongue2: BTW... my father still doesnt want to put even in the slightest hope that Obama might win. I just think of how i say on news stations how the World reacted to the news of the DNC nomination... There is so much hope... I Hope and Pray that my father is proven Wrong.

True but for any reason i unfortunately needs to STILL be said that he is not a Muslim. No matter how silly it is that we must make that clarification.:thumbup:

Yea his (McCain) stances are do nothing and change nothing SO what if its broke don't fix it

It is hard to read that statement .... what will it take for people to realize that he is not a Muslim....:confused: i mean c'mon. Like the post before me i mean not to offend .... but first he has Wright issues(his Christian pastor) and then father pflager( a catholic priest) where is it coming from that Obama is a Muslim .... I'm not getting it?

i would have to agree with AMC i have smoked weed for a long time ... i amd 5 classes away from my bachelors degree, i amd starting to think masters degree and i work for a good company in the silicon valley ( and a nice pretty penny too) i just wanted to boast a lil bit ... but really this was something that i was worried about and was seriously thinking about when i made my decision .... im glad this post was here... shhhhh, see i aint ever smoke before so imma take two hits and imma ** blooooww * my mind AWAY i never thought id be gettin High todaaaayyyyy

im sayin i just doesn't make sense to me i mean a year of research and moths of testing and no one said anything and now i need this or no go... something doesn't seem right

i have nad no history of anything no clotting no high bp minus the weight, football injuries and asthma i am perfectly healthy.

Ok so how many people have had this .... my doc sprung it on me and said nothing ..... one min i had a surgery date and now i have to get a Inferior vena cava filter placed?:woot::w00t::thumbdown::woot:

No no no dont ever say that idiot speaks for my community him and jessie jackson are frauds and Do not speak for my community My problem is not with all of white america just the portions of the popuulation that try and make me believ that its all over and said and done. and im understand your point but i am not from the hood i haven't struggled as much as some have i am from the black middle class in this country and i know it still exist cause i see it its not as blatant but it still exist never the less http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

Wow what’s good people… It’s been a couple days since my last post and wow you guys almost left me in the wind I guess… well Let me respond to some post that caught me and get back in the thick of it. Plain Yes I do thing that with the passing of generations that the problem will diminish but not though silence it will take people havening adult style conversations and really listening to each other and yes over years and years after issues are addressed and addressed not ignored and I whole heartedly believe that we will eventually get past it all. Jack I agree it’s a catch 22 not all of the black people who make it out of impoverished conditions realize the impact of what they are portraying. They sell those images and that life style because its what appears in their windows and its what sells. The problem lies when kids from that life style look at them and thing they came from where I came from and had to deal with the same things I did and then they try to emulate the results. They need someone to show them unequivocally that there is another way to make it out there is a way for me to be something in this world. Gloucester To answer your questions I’m and fine and you…lol That is the million dollar question but let’s face it the failures of slavery are not what black America is most angry about to day… This country is in many cases blatantly biased against blacks. In the communities and in the judicial system, and in some state the laws themselves. What I get from some of your statements is that after slavery was abolished that issue was resolved and the fact of the matter is that today there are still policies and practices that discriminate against blacks. Yes slavery is in the past but injustice, prejudice, and angerhated isn’t in the past it is in the present. In my life time I have witnessed, felt, and watched racial based injustice happen all over this country. As far as can it happen today… it was only about Id say 3 or 4 years ago a cute little white girl came up to me and asked me … did that hurt? I asked her what she was talking about and she replied When your skin got all burned. That being said I think there is still enough ignorance in this country that that could happen again maybe. Hopefully the kid will be smarter than me at the time and not drive a staple through his finger. No my mother never really had to deal with is and my father said in more words than I will say. I should know my place. Meaning as a black adolescent I am not permitted to make the same mistakes my white adolescent friends were able to make and get away with just a slap on the wrist. The fear for me didn’t come until my first year in TN were the hast by police where I fit the description turned into being drug outta my car and cuffed gun drawn with a knee in my back cause I was a black kid in a Mercedes in a doo rag in a white neighborhood. That’s where my fear came from. That and other events that happened to me personally I was weary before that because of my father but after that I had a hearty fear and productive anger. But that’s the thing you can’t defend America cause it is America I love my country both the good and the bad and what pisses me off. I won’t stop arguing the case of the black community to my country just like I won’t stop arguing my patriotism to people who criticize my country. And I am not trying to move backwards but the fact is that this country has been recently on the verge of a new civil rights movement and the only reason it has yet to come tom ahead it lacks a leader. Research the Jena6 situation is you don’t already know about it. Ok chat feels good to be back …. Im sick of writing papers …. Only 6 more classes till my BS though so oh well. Looking forward to all your guys post l8ter

Yes i know i am a American. Yet i live in a different America than you. I will come back to that. I am not asking for monetary hand out... actually i would be happy if people would stop acting like slavery and other injustices were no bit deal, i am not and have never wanted money for slavery cause i am too far removed for it to matter to me. But my fathers mother and my father there are things that get passed down from generation to generation that are never forgotten and when people say or imply that all we need do is forget about it. That does My grand mother, my mother,my father and everyone in my family who could not or were not allowed to do something for the color of their skin a grave disservice. Yes i am part of a new more understanding generation that of witch i am proud, but the simple fact is that being black in American means something different. it means i have to CYA all the time. i live in a country where i live in constant fear of the police, where if i have to deal with the judicial system i am 40% more likely to get a harsher sentence than that of fairer skinned people, I live in a country where more that 10 times in my lifetime i have been stopped by the police because i fit the description,or i am in a nice car in the wrong neighborhood (predominately white),I live in a country when (especially in the south) i have been hand cuffed 6 time and yet i never have been arrested. this continued unfair treatment is what the black community is talking about. the fact the blacks in the US as close as 5 years ago are still being lynched for Dating white women. no i am not saying that YOU own the community anything but the country owes us Fairness. Now if you can understand that then thats fine and if you still can that fine too. The black community isn't trying to break America we have as little to gain from America breaking as anyone else we are in the schools we are here too. but we are not treated fairly every black person i know had been mistreated in some way. I was 7 the first time white person called me a N***** man called me a little n***** boy this was a airport official in the Memphis International Airport. I was the only Black student in my elementary school i was removed from that school after catching my hand in a stapler was paraded in front of the class by the teacher for 20mins so she could show that my blood was red. those are just my stories if you meet a black person that doesn't have a few stories like these of their own then I would like to meet that person and shake their hand cause thats the dream. My dream is that my children (when and if i ever have any ) will not have the same fear of the government the police that i do. I hope that they will not have to fight to have be afraid that their first mistake wont ruin their lives. Argue this point all you like but this is the America that i and the vast majority of the black people i know live in. You ask why we cant just let it go because we are reminded on a event by event basis that we are not viewed the same way in this country. Wheetsinthx I was just wondering because there was a poll that showed 19% of Obama supporters and 25 or some odd percent of Hillary supporters will vote for McCain in the general election if their candidate isn't the nominee. thats nonsense you know. BTW as i read through this i notice that i can could a little hostile... that is not my intention. This post has been going on for 4 pages now as i think that i may have given the wrong impression so i hope with this post i am more clear. And understand that there is no easy solution, it took 450 years to get here it will take a bit longer to right things.( i added the 40 years since Dr.Kings Death.)

getting out of line at a amusement park thats a big one, i mean most of the country is overweight and i still can fit in those rides .. that when i broke and wanted the band too...

forgive me its Monday and my brain isn't working correctly, are you speaking about the people who say if hillary doesnt win they will vote for McCain?:Dancing_wub:

wow... you missed the whole point.... ok not all white people owned slaves. not all white people benefited from slavery. that being said i don't know what your racial makeup is but AMERICA owes blacks a lot not talking about individual people im talking about this country. and America owes native Americans even more, and they owe Asian Americans too America even owes Iraqis for this BS war. But (assuming your ancestors were immigrants to THIS* country) then their is no comparison to the struggles that were faced by black people in THIS* country. and top answer the original question No you have not hurt me in any way. I have not the slightest clue what i said that would make you think that i had believed you hurt me. *we are talking about America I understand that injustice happens world wide but in this discussion i am speaking about America And American faults.

No but we can work on tolerance and understanding and working towards making some kind of mends with the people whom this country has hurt and/or tormented.

lol jack you got me dying over here...lol no one is asking all white people to pay for slavery in this county but blacks cant walk away from the issue either. Its still a sore spot for us and will continue to be for a long time. all we can do is how that more discussions like this can be held and that somewhere we can find a solution.

Its wasn't as widespread as people wanted it to be but there are records of African tribes being paid in the slave trade when i find a reference to this i will post it