NJSleeveboy

So, I have seen many discussions about some stalls, but no where that all can share their stories.. Can you quickly share for me when you first had your stall (how many weeks or months post op) and how many week(s) did it last?

Don't panic. I"m not.. I was sleeved Sep 18th. Lost 10 pounds on pre liquid then 10 the first week then 5-7 and now nothing for a week!!!! Yes, plenty of threads on here about the stalls. I researched from medical sites and the deal is that your body losing glycogen quickly, just like it did on low carb diet days.. THat as a large ratio of water to glycogen, so we lose the water weight quickly and also fat.. Pants also fit better, etc and we feel great.. once glycogen is gone, even if you were losing fat, your pants would still fit better, but the weight would be like 1/4 of the decrease as before because it's only fat and no water. Make sense? THEN, the stalls are required for your body and is very cool how it works (although I do hate mine lol), because it has to restore glycogen and it , in essence, shifts around the fat from your cells and converts it to glycogen. As someone puts it, so your body can react to running in the old days, from say, a sabertooth tiger.. So, even though you won't lose weight, as the body changes it's "insides" to glycogen, you will be way more fit and trim, just not less weight. Then it repeats.. The less dramatic the weight loss, the less this is noticeable, etc. But it's also why many people go through several stalls. I hope to be one to tell you that I got out of mine soon. I used to eat 3500 cal a day and now 1200 on a bad day. So s/b losing two or three lbs a week, but nada for like 9 days. Again, I am certain it's normal and it always used to happen to me on my diet days. hope that helps

@butter, your numbers rock!!! It was encouraging. I am not discouraged as this site helped knowing people get stalls. I am stalled but eating so healthily. As stated in our other threads, I can eat anything (spicy, ground turkey, chili, etc)... I don't see a stall per your numbers. I also noticed that I was reading a lot of ladies threads, and I must assume that guys can and still will be able to eat more due to our differences in bodies, etc... I just assume if I ate 3000-4000 calories before, even if i do 1500 from time to time, i just HAVE to lose weight lol

I have become addicted when I need a fast food fix (ie when I take the kids there or with a group) to wendy's chili large. Surprisingly healthy for us within reason...

Because I have been tolerating food so well (I'm starting week 4 post op today), my NUT, last week, put me on a 1000-1200 diet. She warned me not to compare to others and that I will now start losing much slower and also most get stalls.. She said in the long run, it's better for my skin and gall bladder if the rate slows down, but to make sure I can handle that emotionally.. I get in 1000 min a day and up to 1200 and believe me, i COULD eat a lot more! I eat too fast (because I can, but wish I sort of had issues lol)... I also am never full when I am done, but stop and then feel quite full 30 min later and can last easily until next meal. I still feel like i am dieting, although it's easier than it's ever been thanks ot the sleeve... So, with 1200 being my number and three times at least was the number I ate before, I am confident/hopeful that it will work for me. .Too soon to tell, hence why I am reading this thread lol

@butter I so agree. Many who have a lifetime of eating disorders will eat around their sleeves. These same folk will also do that whether they "lick the cheese off a dorito", "take a bit of a pretzel and spit it out" or actually take 2 bites of each and listen to what I wrote in the post. It's moot.. They need to have therapy and deal with it and it is a serious matter. NO reason to starve and torture yourself.. Black and white diets, as my point stated, are proven to not work, wheras, learning to be and eat healthy does... Don't forget, the dorito was just an example of stupid ideas people suggest, but I had suggested a bowl of soup pre op or a can of tuna post op...(if they can handle it)- None of which will take them off the health wagon.

@pdx. Agreed! .. and Hold me! :-)

@PDX.. Ok. I do feel the same about you in terms of not listening, but let me try to answer quickly.. Yes, I so agree that telling people not to follow their docs orders is dangerous! Yes, I so agree that I am not normal in terms of how well SO FAR I have adjusted ... Tried to tell you that I am not telling people to disregard and only talking about preop and the first 2 weeks. So, yes, if a doc tells them they need two weeks of liquids, I am simply sharing that mine, as well as many others only require one week, so they can do the math or decide if they want to have a healthy snack during that 2 weeks of pre diet liquid hell. Even for me, on one week pre-op, my nurse there told me WHEN I CALLED that I could have chicken noodle soup and not to sweat it...... Re the next 2 weeks, I am not talking about how well I tolerated purees. That is NOT why he put me on them. I pointed out that he puts ALL of his patients to purees on day 2 post surgery.. NOthing to do with how well I handled my food. NOt saying they will and not saying they should do anything differently if they don't want to OR if their doc specifically told them not to do anything because of their specific issues.. People should know that many docs allow it and that the majority of posts I have read about what it will do to you if you do, as to be BS as a)then no doc would allow purees on day 2 and things like your staples getting caught in a pretzel is comical.. That was my point. People can read the whole thing I wrote (hence what it was a long post) and make their decisions if they need to obsess or just have try for ONE meal on ONE day, some tuna etc (like I or many did)..... I feel they are guidelines and tried to find out which were musts (ie need a majority liquid pre-op for liver to be nice and limber and shiny is a MUST) and which are opinions that many Docs vary on...... Re my back up, sure. But u didn't say I may or may not be a troll. You disagreed with some of my points on my replies and called me on it and also said "I have to call BS on that. No doc would tell you to have meatball".. .. So, your last post was very professional, and hence my reply to yours now is. But that was not the case.. That said.. NO doctor would put "eat meatballs" in their post bariatric diet plan.. He told me that at my two week follow up when I told him where I cheated and how well I tolerated that.. How I can't believe how many obsess and is it ok for me to try some of these things.. He and the NUT explained the risks of not being strict and eating a full bag of chips or a 4 meatballs, but told me that I should live it up and have a half if that makes it easier..". FOR ME, not for the populous. Things like the alcohol or caffein, etc should not be taken by me at all as what they should do.. HOWEVER< they should , if they wish, ask their docs and get their advice! I asked about the coffee FOR ME and about the Alcohol FOR ME". We had a discussion about the reasons and possible mental risks, but they concurred. I was just sharing. I hope this both answers your questions and explains my position so that you also finally get what I am saying.. I suggest a truce on the topic, unless we find new material to debate professionally over :-)

@Kalimomo You are so right.. Yes, they don't agree, which is fine, but are ticked off. So, instead of just giving nice, professional and friendly different points of you, they try to get ant agonistical and negative.. People never cease to amaze me. I often feel both pity and sadness for people like that.. Could be a chemical imbalance; A sense of entitlement from being spoiled by family; or perhaps anger over how they were treated when they were heavier.. Who knows..

I have to say.. 48 LIKES and only 4 naysayers.. ALL of us are entitled to their own opinions, of course. Keep it nice!! It is fun, though, being on the winning side of the debate per the populous :-) OOPS 18 to 4.. Same point, though

U guys are hysterical. I added one quote from someone in this thread and added a two sentence preface/disclaimer for those like u who don't get it. Backtracked? Lol. No words? That's funny

Yes, Debates are great and we are on here for different views.. If someone wants to do what I said, but unsure if anyone has done it, then perhaps they'll enjoy this thread. I never sling mud when people are nice and smart and have things in common. We all have the latter. The only "heated" part is when someone who was insulted that not everyone agrees with their ways, had to call me full of SH)##@ and say I am a troll, on here to just say crazy stuff to make people irate.. That's insane and not appreciated, hence my sarcasm.. But, yes, all good stuff here!

Geeze, @lessofme, I don't think you have been reading clearly. I agree with you!! Same goes for any food. If YOUR OWN stomach can't handle anything don't do it.. My point was for those who know they won't stay off coffee and don't want to and whose bellies can handle it.... Then my post remains valid.. U guys who don't agree with things crack me up, but I enjoy give and take and glad there is such passion on this. Funny how the vast majority like this post and so agree and about a quarter think I'm the antichrist. I'm Jewish, but not that lol

Umm @lessofme, I have not yet spoken about anything OTHER THAN the one week preop and the two weeks post op, of which I have completed just like anyone with 2 years of sleeve history.. So, not quite. That's why I don't comment on the future. I did call my DOC and said I was dying and they said to live it up pre surgery with some soup. So, feel free for anyone to call ur doc and ask.. My bro also okd it.. So, not blind on what my doc and many have told me and what I did for my first 3 weeks. Just sayin'

@butter I stick to my original post. I am not lumping. I am speaking of a)the pre diet liquid obsession.. If it is killing you then have a bowl of veggie or chicken soup.. Live it up. It is PROVEN to not affect your liver for the surgery if you do it only once or twice, etc.. the post 1 to 6 week diet folk who are on liquids.. Well, since many docs allow puree on day 2, I still stick to my post and tell those who are having a hard go on week 2 or 3 or 4, etc post op liquid to live it up and take a 4 oz can of tuna, for ex, add two TB of light mayo. add some salt, dash of sugar and some onion powder and pepper and have an INCREDIBLY healthy meal (sub canned chicken if you don't like fish) that will indeed be on their lifetime diet.. It won;t hurt them was my point and I was really dealing with those obsessing on here.. I get it and was trying to help.. People fantasizing about food, what they'll have in 7 weeks, etc.. GO for it.. It's ok if your stomach can handle it.. eat slowly and wait for reaction. I'm NO doc and No shrink, of course, but was never my intention. BTW, YAY on the comment on laid back sleevers. I'm too new to know if I'll be one, but suspect I will but also am incorporating (or plan 2) the second group, that also watches healthy eating and working out etc..

LOL. Love the bad relationship analogy.. So true and how I hope to end up being with food.. I wonder, though, if like this, it's different for us guys.. Sometimes, as men, we go back to bad relationships for one night, just to please ourselves.. lol

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@pdxman, are you still on your post op pain meds? Really? someone will troll a site and waste their time ? u r too funny. re-read what I wrote. Man. FIRST OF ALL, my doc and NUT met with me. As yours does. We talked about what I have been eating and how well it's gone and what I cheated on.. His plan for anyone on week 3 is full diet.. Protein first and good choices. So, yes, I went shopping after and bought steaks and chicken and pork chops and hard cheeses and you name it. YES< I ATE THEM TODAY . So, my friend, it does work and if you read the replies, many on here also had the same luck. I'm not suggesting that people who can't tolerate the stuff do it and any doc who would tell a patient that is having trouble to progress faster would be a quack.. I'd post my post op diet from them, but not sure if you are a troll on here, who just casually reads posts and makes pompous comments.. :-) PS. Umm, having ONE friggin Dorito instead of obsessing about licking the powder is not exactly throwing caution to the wind now, my exaggerating friend. PPS I'm grilling steaks tomorrow. If you don't see me online after, then I guess i'm the person who you can say died from it.. OY.... I also heard when his guests work up, it said "welcome to the world of aids" on his bathroom mirror and then his brother was found in the tub, filled with ice with his liver taken out... THen when going outside he heard a scratching on his car roof and went outside and found it was his friend, dead, hanging from a tree, with his feet going over the car... Then he went for gas and the attendant told him that there was an axe murderer hiding in his back seat.. OY

I have already and i'm only 3 weeks in total... I experienced it a a lot during my life. Research it. You need to really weigh yourself once a week and ideally in the morning and nude. Your body changes weight each day based upon many factors that affect fluid retention, etc.. So, that is normal. I do go on it a few times a day and can vary 1.5 pounds in same day.. During my past stalls, I still found clothes fit much better, and that is also your body's way of adjusting from what I have researched..

I took my kids on day 13 to a Pro soccer game. My daughter got a big bucket. I ate a handful.... Would have eaten half the bucket before, lol. It was delish and I personally, had no issue with it. We all react differently to different foods, but I plan on eating it here and there down the road.. However, do note, I am one of those who have had no pain and ease with liquids and foods..

Oh, As noted, the lack of liquid diet hasn't hurt my results. Here is a pix before and after posted showing 3 weeks (1 pre liquid and 2 post pureed).. SWEEEET lol

First full day on real food here on day 9... Yogurt parfait with all sorts of fresh fruit for breakfast..... Kippered salmon and hummus for lunch.. A banana for a snack and dinner was a pan grilled turkey burger with low fat swiss cheese (no bun yet for me) and a side of garlic and olive oil freshly sauteed veggies and then steamed to make a tad more mushy. Um, YUMMMMM. All went down great.. We are all dif because each doc has a diff view of what issues they want to deal with and believe it best.... That was also my point. If you are dying, my doc suggests having a half of meatball, although since it has bread in it, they want me to grill up some steaks tenderly, chicken, pork, beef and play with diff foods.. So far loving the new adventure today. Thank goodness this was is my nut/docs views or else I'd be pulling my hair out... I get one more snack today and i'll be at 1000 calories.. Bear in mind. that is 200 more than you on liquid have.. So thats one extra pound each two weeks or two pounds less I will lose than you over the next month.. I'm , umm, FINE with that, lol

@VST addict, yes plenty of people who ate too quickly had horrible gas or stuck and needed to get help.. Don't do that and that's why I said listen to your OWN stomach and body. ALSO, what you and the few critics on here of me don't seem to get is I am debunking not peoples own opinions about themselves, but rather those who GIVE THEIR opinions to others, telling them this is the right way.. I'm just saying that If you are on 3 weeks of liquids and want a bowl of soup and you can handle it, then stop listening to person A who tells you that it's a must, etc... The majority agree on here with me, but I enjoy a good debate.. Nowhere did i tell people to do what I am doing but to stop the "oh, man, can i have one pretzel". Or "Oh, I am soooo bad and feel so guilty. I cheated today and had half a piece of toast... ".. It's silly.. Read the title of the post.. it's about OBSESSING :-=)

@everyone.. I added this for new readers to my opening: "This post is not intended to mean I am sure I will have a long term good go at this! It also doesn't address the future, but really ONLY the many threads that I have read regarding the preo op and post op liquid diets and the Pre and post few weeks Do's and Dont's! " @newbie. WOW on the soiids in hosptial.. my surgeon did confirm that it won't cause leakage, etc even then, but only possible extreme discomfort, lol.. He does come from the school of theory that the sooner you get back on solids, the better your body responds, so interesting. Thanks for posting that.

@butter.. yep, Great point. So good, I put in my post for new readers to make sure they agree. I, of course, completely agree with your point and thus was remiss in being clear. Merci buckets