Did you hear about the plane that landed on the Hudson River a few days ago? I don't know about you, but it is refreshing to see a news story with a wonderful outcome for a change. That's the kind of news I like to hear! The pilot was tremendous! He truely knew how to think and respond quickly. All 155 people survived. I think God had other plans for those onboard!:huh2:

Well at least you're not bitter, or anything.

I dont think she is bitter. Just fed up.

I dont think she is bitter. Just fed up.

Maybe not. Maybe V-Queen was just having a bad day. But....Patty posted something pretty generic, along the lines of "Thank God everybody survived the plane crash", and V responded with 1) how the media was over-covering the story, and 2) how the media was glossing over child rape, or something like that. It just seemed a little much......like somebody lecturing me about the supposed "separation of church and state" when I say "God bless you" in response to a sneeze.

Maybe not. Maybe V-Queen was just having a bad day. But....Patty posted something pretty generic, along the lines of "Thank God everybody survived the plane crash", and V responded with 1) how the media was over-covering the story, and 2) how the media was glossing over child rape, or something like that. It just seemed a little much......like somebody lecturing me about the supposed "separation of church and state" when I say "God bless you" in response to a sneeze.

I suppose things like this can be interpreted any number of ways.

V-queen, First of all, I never assumed or stated that you were not a christian. I only assumed by your tone and comments that you might be angry at God. But if I am wrong, and you're just frustrated with my 'dribble', then you may choose to stay away from my postings. bye now.

I dont think she is bitter. Just fed up.

Fed up with what?! I have never even had a conversation with her before.

As a New Yorker, I am just so happy that we dont have another ground zero. We've had too many planes fall from the sky in these parts. My apt overlooks the Mighty Mighty Hudson, I dont think I would have dealt well had there been yet another catastropy in my front yard.

Even though I cant watch the coverage of the Miracle (911 PTSD wont allow it) I am glad that there is some good news being reported.

For what its worth.

Hi chocolate-snaps, So, you live in NY. Do you like the city? I'm in CT and have been to NY city many times, but feel I could never live there because of the busyness of it there. I was wondering, do you give pres. Bush any credit for the fact that we haven't had another terrorist attack on our soil? I'm asking you, because you've 'lived' the experience of it right in your backyard as you call it, and lately there has been alot of talk about his 8 years in office. When 911 happened, I felt as if it were too close for comfort, and I'm about 1 1/2 hours away. What's your opinion? Also, were you anywhere near where the plane went down?

Hi chocolate-snaps, So, you live in NY. Do you like the city? I'm in CT and have been to NY city many times, but feel I could never live there because of the busyness of it there. I was wondering, do you give pres. Bush any credit for the fact that we haven't had another terrorist attack on our soil? I'm asking you, because you've 'lived' the experience of it right in your backyard as you call it, and lately there has been alot of talk about his 8 years in office. When 911 happened, I felt as if it were too close for comfort, and I'm about 1 1/2 hours away. What's your opinion? Also, were you anywhere near where the plane went down?

I love NYC. Its one of my great loves. To answer your questions. No, no credit. Which plane? on 911, close enough to inhale the ashes of 3000 people. The passenger flight to DR over Queens, in Washington Heights comforting friends who lost loved ones. On Friday, just a mile away.

I'd say close.

SO we are arguing over whether complete and abject misery is warranted for the many things wrong with our world. I have seen some really tragic things in my life and what I have learned is to celebrate the miracles when you get them.

Debating the merits of a happy ending to a nearly tragic event is wild. So I wont. Enjoy misery.

BTW: Who has a backyard in Manhattan:lol:

Fed up with what?! I have never even had a conversation with her before.

You are assuming that I meant she was fed up with you specifically or personally. What I meant to suggest is she may be fed up with your school of thought and responded in a manner to express that rather than being bitter. Of course, this is just my opinion.

I prefer to believe in luck, good and bad, for if we are to praise a God for good luck then logic dictates that we must curse this same individual for instances of bad luck. Good luck was the so-called "miracle on the Hudson" and bad luck was that awful, awful day of 9/11. Or do we believe that Allah was watching over the suicide mission on that day???

Good luck was the so-called "miracle on the Hudson" and bad luck was that awful, awful day of 9/11. Or do we believe that Allah was watching over the suicide mission on that day???

I would never agree with the statement that Allah blessed the terrorists for the deaths of 9/11. Don't forget that suicide bombers or terrorists are fanatics. Fanatics can be very harmful and from any faith such as Islam, Christianity, etc. 9/11 was horrendous, but so are abortion clinics that get bombed. Every religion has an unfortunate, but luckily small number of people who feel they are faithful believers and therefore are empowered to harm others in pursuit of faith over the centuries. While there may be a few people that feel it was their version of God's blessing that people died . . . that is certainly not the norm.

These people were definitely very lucky to be able to say, I crash landed in a body of water while in an airplane without significant injury. :thumbup:

Whether that "luck" was God's blessing, blind luck, skill of the pilot, a small child sacrificing an ant with a magnifying glass so that other people may live, someone on board the plane wearing their "special" underwear, or gifts left for the blessed, invisible airline elves that dance in their panties under the full moon on the wings of the plane once a year . . . I am still happy they survived.

I sure would not mind seeing those airplane elves dancing around in their panties. Just sayin' :thumbup:

I prefer to believe in luck, good and bad, for if we are to praise a God for good luck then logic dictates that we must curse this same individual for instances of bad luck. Good luck was the so-called "miracle on the Hudson" and bad luck was that awful, awful day of 9/11. Or do we believe that Allah was watching over the suicide mission on that day???

And your opinion is fine, Green. If you had started a thread saying what good luck it was that everybody survived, and somebody posted a pretty venomious response, I'd call them out on it as well.

Thank you plain , for your support. I like you. You seem to be a genuinely kind and fair person with a good head on your shoulders.

I prefer to believe in luck, good and bad, for if we are to praise a God for good luck then logic dictates that we must curse this same individual for instances of bad luck. Good luck was the so-called "miracle on the Hudson" and bad luck was that awful, awful day of 9/11. Or do we believe that Allah was watching over the suicide mission on that day???

Hi green, is that your last name or your favorite color? (for my last name is green):thumbup:

I don't praise God for good 'luck', but for good things that happen. I believe that at creation all was 'good', but Satan entered the scene and continues till this day to create havoc in the world. There are 2 spiritual forces (good and evil) and spiritual warfare that goes on all around us. Whenever the evil forces can, they will interefer in the worlds activities and try to bring about death and destruction. Life continues on. Sometimes evil prevails and sometimes good prevails. We can know the outcome of this spiritual war through reading the scriptures. In the end, Satan is defeated and cast into hell for all eternity and God will be forever glorified. I do not curse God for the 'bad' things that happen, I curse Satan. The spiritual warfare that is taking place is for the souls of mankind. Satan knows the outcome of his own fate as well and wants to take as many souls down with him as possible. God also trys to reach as many souls as possible. When christians pray, God hears their prayers and intervenes in situations.

Hi green, is that your last name or your favorite color? (for my last name is green):thumbup:

I don't praise God for good 'luck', but for good things that happen. I believe that at creation all was 'good', but Satan entered the scene and continues till this day to create havoc in the world. There are 2 spiritual forces (good and evil) and spiritual warfare that goes on all around us. Whenever the evil forces can, they will interefer in the worlds activities and try to bring about death and destruction. Life continues on. Sometimes evil prevails and sometimes good prevails. We can know the outcome of this spiritual war through reading the scriptures. In the end, Satan is defeated and cast into hell for all eternity and God will be forever glorified. I do not curse God for the 'bad' things that happen, I curse Satan. The spiritual warfare that is taking place is for the souls of mankind. Satan knows the outcome of his own fate as well and wants to take as many souls down with him as possible. God also trys to reach as many souls as possible. When christians pray, God hears their prayers and intervenes in situations.

Yes, Green is my family name, too. We do differ in that I am an atheist and thus do not believe in the supernatural. I think all the answers are to be found here on earth. I was raised to be skeptical by my father and this is why I am prone to taking apart and analysing items of received wisdom. I enjoy debate. Though you have been on the receiving end of this, you have not been specifically singled out.

What I can say is that you believe that God is Christian and is thus on your side. Those folks who adhere to Islam believe just as fervently that God...Allah is on their side. Who is to say that you are right and the Muslim is wrong? This was my only reason, by the way, for bringing up the events of 9/11. It is only a question of perspective in my view.

I must admit that I do find it repellent when the sole survivor of a disaster thanks God for looking out for him. I can only think, oh yeah, buddy, but why you and not all the rest of them? It is far easier to believe in the randomness of luck than to believe in the cruelty of such a super power, I think.