I dont know if this is a subject that has been done to death, or is even PC for that matter, but as a UK girl I was just wondering what your take on the ongoing war is?

I get torn, because I feel that we have no business being there, but still have a great deal of sympathy and concern for my friends whose DH's are serving out there.

Nina x

I'm not going to pretend that I know everything that's going on in the Middle East with anyone including Israel or the Palestinians but who is being anti-semantic here?

Anti-semitic. Anti-semantic would be "against the meaning of symbols." What about kagoscuba's post reads as anti-semitic to you?

Anti semitic. Anti semantic would be "against the meaning of symbols." Wwhat about kagoscuba's post reads as anti-semitic to you?

Actually, she was the one being accused of anti-semitism, so I think she was just trying to figure out what part of her post was supposed to be anti-semitic.

Ah, as I read it, she thought kagoscuba's post was anti-semitic -- which would have made for interesting reading.

Actually, she was the one being accused of anti-semitism, so I think she was just trying to figure out what part of her post was supposed to be anti-semitic.

It was me who called her anti-Semetic. Let me rephrase that to a better way.

I feel she is part of the " Blame Israel for all the worlds problem crowd" considering this whole thread is about the Iraq war and not Israel.

thank you for correcting me on the wrong terminology there, my fingers get ahead of my brain at times. I have never called anyone anti-semitic, sorry you misinterpreted what I said.

Anti-semitic. Anti-semantic would be "against the meaning of symbols." What about kagoscuba's post reads as anti-semitic to you?

Ummm you might want to re read my first post Chris, I was using the Israel Palistinian conflict as a reminder that America turned a blind eye when we were actually helping Saddam and he was already torturing the Iraqis. I've learned that lesson b/c apparently no one even payed attention to that part of it.

I do not condone anyone for violence, be them Muslims, Jews, or Christians. Am I saying all the Palistinians are innocent? No but many of them are, so are some of the Israelis but I've seen first hand what is done over there.

Chris you don't know me so don't assume anything about me, more times than not you'll be wrong.

Like I said nothing is as black and white as many seem to think it is.

No worries at all - and I certainly did misread (still do!). Such is the nature of the online communication beast.

*************The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years**************

Zimbabwe was called Rhodesia once does that mean that it ceased to exist once the name was changed? What happened to all the people that were living in Rhodesia just minding their own business and getting on with their lives I wonder?

*****Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then******

What war???? As I pointed out before the Brits GAVE that land away when they carved up the Turkish empire. I refer you once again to the Balfour treaty. I know that facts are pesky things but its nice to see them every now and again.

Foreign Office,

November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely

Arthur James Balfour

**************Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death." I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."************

I am staggered at the level of purile rascism on display here. If you want to argue a point based on historical fact then fine bring it on, if you are forced to resort to hysterical ranting then I am sorry that you are so closed minded to the fact that strange though it may seem there are 2 sides to every story.

I do not agree with ANY form of terrorism, and I do understand the huge problems faced by Israel in the region, but to dismiss an entire race of people who were forced out of their homelands in the way that you have beggars belief.Are you seriously trying to say that ALL of the Palenstinian children killed in the conflict deserved to die, that is how it is reading to me. I have equal sympathy and horror for the Israeli children who have been killed.

Do I think that the Palestinians are innocent in this conflict? No of course I dont, equally you cannot say that the Israelis are either.

Oh and please dont embarrass yourself by accusing me of racism.

Ummm you might want to re read my first post Chris, I was using the Israel Palistinian conflict as a reminder that America turned a blind eye when we were actually helping Saddam and he was already torturing the Iraqis. I've learned that lesson b/c apparently no one even payed attention to that part of it.

I do not condone anyone for violence, be them Muslims, Jews, or Christians. Am I saying all the Palistinians are innocent? No but many of them are, so are some of the Israelis but I've seen first hand what is done over there.

Chris you don't know me so don't assume anything about me, more times than not you'll be wrong.

Like I said nothing is as black and white as many seem to think it is.

Under Carter, the US supported the covert funding of the mujahadeen, the Taliban's predecessor, and also, to a lesser degree, Osama bin Laden.

America has made mistakes, just like any country (and major religion) has and will continue to do in the future. Funding extremist groups was a mistake of global proportions obviously, what are we supposed to do? Ignore it?

Do you think that continually interfering is making it better? Please explain to me the difference to the people of Iraq between guns that are fired by terorrists and guns that are fired by British and American troops? Do you think that they give a sh!t, would you if it were your country it was happeing in?

Do you think that continually interfering is making it better? Please explain to me the difference to the people of Iraq between guns that are fired by terorrists and guns that are fired by British and American troops? Do you think that they give a sh!t, would you if it were your country it was happeing in?

With all due respect, I think there is a HUGE difference between guns fired by terrorists that are ultimately doing it with no valid reasons behind it , well, maybe I should say that their reasoning is evil...and the guns fired by the americans or british who went there for a reason to accomplish a mission...is it great for the people that have been killed or their families?, of course not, we all know they will suffer regardless, but there is a big difference though... the guns fired by the terrorists are what caused the Americans and our allies to fire ours in the first place... the result maybe similar as far as the losses, but the intentions are totally different and I know people in Iraq appreciate that..

For example, I'm Cuban, grew up there for 14 years, I saw members of my family, friends being killed by Castro, just because they didn't agree with him, they would take them in the middle of the night and next morning they would execute them, no trial, couldn't even say goodbye to their families..... pretty much Castro viciously murdered them... however, cubans would have given ANYTHING for an American invasion...yes I assure you that! and of course lives would've been lost, but we were prepared to live with that, just for the sake of taking Castro out...many, MANY cubans were willing to risk their lives, homes, anything to take Castro out... and they could see the difference between lives lost because Castro was just a monster killer who had complete disregard for any life, and lives that may have been lost for a just cause...for valid reasons..looking for freedom...

Under Carter, the US supported the covert funding of the mujahadeen, the Taliban's predecessor, and also, to a lesser degree, Osama bin Laden.

America has made mistakes, just like any country (and major religion) has and will continue to do in the future. Funding extremist groups was a mistake of global proportions obviously, what are we supposed to do? Ignore it?

Agreed....no we CAN'T ignore it... it's simply irresponsible for our country to ignore it..

*****With all due respect, I think there is a HUGE difference between guns fired by terrorists that are ultimately doing it with no valid reasons behind it , well, maybe I should say that their reasoning is evil******

Define freedom fighter

****the result maybe similar as far as the losses, but the intentions are totally different and I know people in Iraq appreciate that********

Really, please tell me how you know that?

Are you aware that the Kurdish people that America are fighting to protect are wanted in Turkey for several acts of terrorism? And again define the difference between Freedom Fighter and Terrorist.

*****With all due respect, I think there is a HUGE difference between guns fired by terrorists that are ultimately doing it with no valid reasons behind it , well, maybe I should say that their reasoning is evil******

Define freedom fighter

ok...

"Freedom fighter is a relativistic term for those engaged in rebellion against an established Government or Regime that they consider to be oppressive."