So it's very obvious the new newbies want nothing to do with hearing what successful WLS patients have to say. The recent debate over the the eating bacon 1 week postop makes it perfectly clear that what they want is for someone to tell them it's OK to be stupid. They are not interested in listening to their surgeons or nuts or veterans. Self sabotage is the new fad and compliance is apparently out of style. I made the mistake of responding to the post when, as a veteran, I should have known better. Turns out I'm just a big meanie (no surprise there!) At this point it's 95% newbies posting on that thread who don't have a clue what the long term repercussions of eating off plan so soon will lead to. The blind leading the blind.

Oh well. It will be interesting to see the stats of successful EWL go down over the next few years as more and more unprepared, uncommitted people continue to have WLS. In the meantime, I'm outa here. The newbies won. As hard as it is to tear my eyes away from the car wreck, I just can't take anymore people that do stupid shit and then whine about getting their feelings hurt. Someone PM me when the grown ups start joining again.

I'm not trying to defend anyone in this thread but I do want to talk about my own experience with medicaid patients. I work in the health care field. I will say that based on my experience, that many, not all medicaid patients have a very entitled attitude. They are generally the ones that complain and get pissed off when they don't get their way. It can easily sour someone's perception of all medicaid patients when you work with this issue day after day. Mentally it can be quite taxing. I have to admit that when I deal with one of the entitled patients I think to myself "well, I guess my taxes are paying for this one". Somehow that makes it easier in my screwed up brain.

I agree. I have pretty good I insurance but I never go to the emergency dept for a cold (or head lice! ) I sure don't ream out the ED doc because "last week the other doctor gave me oxytocin for my hurt food and now you want me to take Motrin?" The majority of my noncompliance case managed patient are on Medicare. They know everything about everything and they sure don't need my advice, unless it means they will get more pain medication...

I want to add that this kind of entitlement is a cultural phenomena. It's about maintaining control. So it's strongest in uneducated families who have lived in poverty of generations.

I'm not trying to defend anyone in this thread but I do want to talk about my own experience with medicaid patients. I work in the health care field. I will say that based on my experience, that many, not all medicaid patients have a very entitled attitude. They are generally the ones that complain and get pissed off when they don't get their way. It can easily sour someone's perception of all medicaid patients when you work with this issue day after day. Mentally it can be quite taxing. I have to admit that when I deal with one of the entitled patients I think to myself "well, I guess my taxes are paying for this one". Somehow that makes it easier in my screwed up brain.

I agree. I have pretty good I insurance but I never go to the emergency dept for a cold (or head lice! ) I sure don't ream out the ED doc because "last week the other doctor gave me oxytocin for my hurt food and now you want me to take Motrin?" The majority of my noncompliance case managed patient are on Medicare. They know everything about everything and they sure don't need my advice, unless it means they will get more pain medication...

I want to add that this kind of entitlement is a cultural phenomena. It's about maintaining control. So it's strongest in uneducated families who have lived in poverty of generations.

Wow! Judge much?

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I'm not trying to defend anyone in this thread but I do want to talk about my own experience with medicaid patients. I work in the health care field. I will say that based on my experience, that many, not all medicaid patients have a very entitled attitude. They are generally the ones that complain and get pissed off when they don't get their way. It can easily sour someone's perception of all medicaid patients when you work with this issue day after day. Mentally it can be quite taxing. I have to admit that when I deal with one of the entitled patients I think to myself "well, I guess my taxes are paying for this one". Somehow that makes it easier in my screwed up brain.

I agree. I have pretty good I insurance but I never go to the emergency dept for a cold (or head lice! ) I sure don't ream out the ED doc because "last week the other doctor gave me oxytocin for my hurt food and now you want me to take Motrin?" The majority of my noncompliance case managed patient are on Medicare. They know everything about everything and they sure don't need my advice, unless it means they will get more pain medication...

I want to add that this kind of entitlement is a cultural phenomena. It's about maintaining control. So it's strongest in uneducated families who have lived in poverty of generations.

Wow! Judge much?

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Prozactly!!!

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I think the terms medicARE and medicAID are being used interchangeably. MediCARE is not the same as public aid based Medicaid.

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I am not a fan of grouping individuals and generalising regardless of the terminology.

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I am not a fan of grouping individuals and generalising regardless of the terminology.

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That is NOT what I was saying...

I was MERELY pointing out that they are two different medical policies.

And I wasn't speaking directly to you, simply pointing out MY observation on what I was reading here...

Why you needed to take it personally is your business.

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I am 47 years old and I am on Medicare because I am disabled. I worked for many years, and I worked hard. I earned every bit of my benefits; they are not entitlements. I worked in health care and encountered all types of people with all types of insurance coverage. To stereotype and judge people based on what type of insurance they have is pretty crappy. There will always be people who aren't necessarily the most gracious, but I have encountered some real a**holes with private insurance, too. I draw conclusions about people based on behavior. It's really none of anyone's business what kind of insurance other people have. Jerks are jerks. Kind people are rare. Life is harder for some than others.

and I worked hard. I earned every bit of my benefits; they are not entitlements.

That is exactly what an entitlement is. You *are* entitled to it, and there is nothing wrong with that. Somehow some people in this country have made "entitlement" a dirty word. There is nothing wrong with getting the benefits that you are entitled to.

I am not a fan of grouping individuals and generalising regardless of the terminology.

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That is NOT what I was saying...

I was MERELY pointing out that they are two different medical policies.

And I wasn't speaking directly to you, simply pointing out MY observation on what I was reading here...

Why you needed to take it personally is your business.

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I am not taking anything personally, this is a public forum where commenting is quite the norm.

I was also posting MY observation on what I have been reading.

Just like everyone else.

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I worded that wrong. Thanks for clarifying.

Wow that's a lot of pork bellys...at least it has Protein. (And sodium and fat). I laugh...

What was the most unusual dish you tried GW? And do comment on the patrons.

We can live vicariously....

I think I'm glad they don't have a bacon restaurant near me!

Honestly Julie...I loved the cheesecake with candied bacon bits on top. The patrons...well as this is NYC, there were lots of pretty, thin people there. Not like what you would have expected. NYC is a different breed...you just don't see lots of obese people here. It's like when Parisshel used to be online here and said that Paris was filled with pretty people. Same with New York. I did not see much in the way of what you would expect at a restaurant that was all about excess.

Wow that's a lot of pork bellys...at least it has Protein. (And sodium and fat). I laugh...

What was the most unusual dish you tried GW? And do comment on the patrons.

We can live vicariously....

I think I'm glad they don't have a bacon restaurant near me!

Honestly Julie...I loved the cheesecake with candied bacon bits on top. The patrons...well as this is NYC, there were lots of pretty, thin people there. Not like what you would have expected. NYC is a different breed...you just don't see lots of obese people here. It's like when Parisshel used to be online here and said that Paris was filled with pretty people. Same with New York. I did not see much in the way of what you would expect at a restaurant that was all about excess.

I haven't been to NYC yet, but from what I've seen, I would think having to walk everywhere would change the dynamics for most people. Out here in the Texas suburbs, we typically don't walk anywhere. Heck, my town doesn't even have reliable bike lanes. Of course, there's only about 3 months out of the year you CAN walk anywhere without either dying of frostbite or heatstroke.

I'm not trying to defend anyone in this thread but I do want to talk about my own experience with medicaid patients. I work in the health care field. I will say that based on my experience, that many, not all medicaid patients have a very entitled attitude. They are generally the ones that complain and get pissed off when they don't get their way. It can easily sour someone's perception of all medicaid patients when you work with this issue day after day. Mentally it can be quite taxing. I have to admit that when I deal with one of the entitled patients I think to myself "well, I guess my taxes are paying for this one". Somehow that makes it easier in my screwed up brain.

I agree. I have pretty good I insurance but I never go to the emergency dept for a cold (or head lice! ) I sure don't ream out the ED doc because "last week the other doctor gave me oxytocin for my hurt food and now you want me to take Motrin?" The majority of my noncompliance case managed patient are on Medicare. They know everything about everything and they sure don't need my advice, unless it means they will get more pain medication...

I want to add that this kind of entitlement is a cultural phenomena. It's about maintaining control. So it's strongest in uneducated families who have lived in poverty of generations.

Wow! Judge much?

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No judgement. I've been an end case manager for 35 years, just posting exactly what I've seen. Please feel free to block me if my truth is so disturbing too you.

I don't have any issues with people being eligible for medicate. I think EVERYONE is entitled to EQUAL access to medical care.

And, of course, not everyone on medicade is demanding or impatient. And some of that is even understandable with uninformed or undereducated consumers.

For example, it's a fact that emergency rooms are over burdened by people using them as primary care clinics. The biggest abusers are those who done have a co pay.

If you don't do this I applaud you. But don't get your panties in a bunch that I have issues whit the people who do.

Oh yea, my experience is completely different that yours so DON'T JUDGE ME.

DON'T have a copay. Auto correct! Artery...