The Senate has passed the Iraq funding bill with the withdrawal deadline in it. It's up to Bush to sign off on it. I can guarantee that if he doesn't, the Democrats (and a lot of Republicans) will be very vocal about him failing to support the soldiers in Iraq. It's up to him, now. He'll be the only person stopping those soldiers from getting the equipment they need if he doesn't sign the bill into law.

I have to admit, I feel like I should be feeling sorry for him. He's really between a rock and a hard place. Either he passes the withdrawal deadline or he fails the troops. I am sure that if I were a nicer person, I would be feeling sorry for him. But really, all I think is that it couldn't have happened to a better guy.:heh:

The issue of pulling out from Iraq will mostly likely be a moot point because Iran will be detonating (or at least attempting to) nuclear weapons on the West. We all know (or should know, and if you don't then wake up and smell the Folgers) that they will not be stopping with Israel. Half of the Jewish population resides in the US, so to Iran, we are Israel.

But again, that's another thread...

Faith....

You are correct, in that nothing posted here is likely to change anyone's mind. But you are mistaken about Hawaii.

From the State of Hawaii's official web site...

In 1893, with Queen Liliuokalani on the throne, the Americans formed a Committee of Safety and declared the monarchy ended. In 1894, the Republic of Hawaii was established. On August 12, 1898, the government of the Republic transferred sovereignty to the United States. Hawaii became a territory of the United States in 1900.

so you support a man who killed millions of people and actively practiced genocide, funded suicide bombers who have attacked Israel? How can you support a murderer?

I suppose you think Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were just fine human beings?

You, madam...disgust me :angry

She didn't in any way say she supported Saddam, or HOW he kept the country stable.

If we don't confront jihadis on the sands of the mid east, where is a better place?

If not now, when?

They are not going to stop. They are not concerned about 'bad press'.

They are not concerned about any of the Democrat talking points. They are not concerned about celebrity support, or the daily outpouring of the liberal bloggers.

Their goal is the establishment of the Caliphate. Listen to their spokesmen. Watch their actions.

Oat-cell carcinoma doesn't listen to reason or respond to diplomatic efforts either.

It's comments like this that make Muslims think the "war on terror" is actually a war against Muslims.

A Jihad, by the way, is not necessarily an armed conflict. It can also mean spreading Islam by word of mouth and by example, much the same way Christians spread Christianity.

Most Muslims support the reign of a Caliphate in Muslim countries. There is no cohesive, executable plan for Muslims to take over the world. What makes me so sure? Mostly the fact that Muslims cannot stop fighting among themselves long enough to plan a global takeover.

Continuing to fight a war that we cannot win is not only stupid, it's completely insane. When you can't identify the enemy, you can't win the war.

Who said we can't win it? My brother is in Iraq, and as a soldier and an American, he believes that the US military CAN win in Iraq.

Who said we can't win it? My brother is in Iraq, and as a soldier and an American, he believes that the US military CAN win in Iraq.

win what exactly-hey i heard it was "mission accomplised" years ago. Now what are we going to win again? A win over terrorists that were never in Iraq pre-Amercian invasion? Just remind me or let me know when we have won.

Who said we can't win it? My brother is in Iraq, and as a soldier and an American, he believes that the US military CAN win in Iraq.

Machele.....I respect your opinion and your brother's. Especially your brother's. Because my son was in Iraq too, and may soon deploy to Afghanistan for a year. Some soldiers believe the war is winnable, and some don't. Just like the rest of us. But I salute every American who has spent even one day in that awful place, regardliess of his/her political views.

We can agree to disagree on the war, but we are united, I'm sure, in our hopes and prayers for the safe return of all Americans and an end to this awful war.

Let's pray for a victorious return for our soldiers...I am praying for that.

Faithmd, while it might be pointless getting into these discussions, it also might now. I still participate; you never know who you might be encouraging. Too many people out there think they are "alone." I think most Americans, contrary to the talking points being heard from the majority party (a thin majority at that), do not want America to be a loser. Rational people exist; I must believe that.

Thanks for jumping in. I enjoyed your response.

I hate all this talk about "winning" or "losing". Shouldn't it be about our soldiers? If "winning" requires us to sacrifice thousands of American men and women and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians for a pie in the sky ideal, I'd rather be a "loser". This isn't high school football. It's people's lives.

How about we pray that our soldiers don't return in pieces or in coffins?

Pointless depends on what you see as the point. If "changing someone's mind" (as indicated) is the point, then probably it's pointless. If voicing your opinion, sharing perspective or information, or even participating just for the sake of killing some time is the "point", then these conversations are never pointless.

man yall can fling some poo.

just watchin it gets my heart rate up. someone calling someone hitler and stalin and what not?

Fling that Poo!

how do we feel about abortion?

Who said we can't win it? My brother is in Iraq, and as a soldier and an American, he believes that the US military CAN win in Iraq.

Machele..tell your brother Thanks for his time and service. I appreciate him doing his job. What if those soldiers felt they were there and couldnt win? I think it would be very hard for them to do their job. My son will be going back for his third deployment. I very much support the soldiers, I dont know that I support why they are there.

I very much support the soldiers, I dont know that I support why they are there.

Exactly. None of us wish harm on our soldiers. They are just doing what they are told, after all (with the few exceptions that have made the news). We just feel that they shouldn't be forced to risk their lives because of the misguided (and downright illegal, IMO) actions of this administration.

man yall can fling some poo.

just watchin it gets my heart rate up. someone calling someone hitler and stalin and what not?

Fling that Poo!

I prefer to think of it as "flinging opinions," No one's opinions are "poo."

How can we be 'supporting our troops' while dissing what they are doing?

How can we be 'supporting our troops' by wishing that they stay in harm's way? How can we be 'supporting our troops' by continuing to fight an unwinnable war? How can we be 'supporting our troops' when we continue to support a President and administration that knowingly underfunded and under-manned the troops? How can we be 'supporting our troops' when we support an administration that sends them back for multiple tours? How can we be 'supporting our troops' when we support an administration that mislead the public and congress and put those troops in danger in the first place?

I support our troops because I know that they are just doing what they are told to do, following orders. I know they are doing the best they can with what they have. I don't support this administration. There is a difference between the two, even if you refuse to see it.