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Thanks Lorena (a dear friend at work is a 'Lorana' btw... I really like what you said....my new mantra (for the folks will be) "let me get the info' (I do need to ask about how much this will cost (as I am dealing with student loans as well right now). and I AM gathering info (and support I really like what you said about the satiety thing... funny how folks do NOT hear all the success stories, just the 5 bad stories... I am also doing my psyche history for the doctor right now and the dates are startling...I went to eating disorder treatment center 22 years ago! I did OA several times, Weight Watchers when I was 19 (and the only male and person under 25...ugh, back then it was about diet soda and artificial junk) and I have gained it back. and I have gained it back. Whats the point of trying to lose a 'pound at a time" if it will just come back.... keep the encouragement coming...it is MUCH appreciated! penndulum

Wow, Dibley- do you know how much cautious HOPE this gives me? I taught a dear friend (single, wealthy, charming, clueless and knew how to nuke and 'maybe' boil water) how to cook awhile back (now he has the most *amazing* wife and daughter (Fiona Jane). He would buy the food and I would teach him an array of recipes for his repetoire (a great dessert, risotto, a 'Breakfast in bed' dish, a slow cooker dish, etc.. so there we are, sitting in his 23rd story condo deck, amazing view, great company....eating and all *I* can do is be thinking about what I will cook NEXT, not be in the moment with food, but worry about the next meal. I get so annoyed that I am always 'what do I have get from the grocery store next' mode (never mind I have a fair ammount of food in the house/frig). This sounds boderline 'too good to be true' looking forward to my consult.. and thanks to ALL for all this great information. (not to be too balanced, but what percentage of bands are 'amazing', 'average' and 'horror stories'? (I am assuming this board is a lot of 'amazings'?

A funny aside- one of the reasons I went INTO culinary school was a mad crush on one of the professors... (sigh).... who later had Lap Band Surgery...(I never saw the reason, but was interesting to see inside someone else's head... his band recently failed after 6 years and he had it removed and another surgery done... and there is the old adage, 'never trust a skinny chef'. Culinary school was one major binge for me...sigh/wow

again I can hear my fathers voice... "but you said people 'eat around the band' (someone mentioned there is a cake batter flavored Protein powder) or the folks that gain the weight back..." I just noticed Tgiving is thursday and my consult is NEXT thursday...wish I could flip flop them!

THANK YOU for this one... I will be spending the day with my folks, and due to family politics we are eating (just the three of us) at their place and I can GUESS what the topic of conversation will be... My screwed up life (single, working retail, wieghting 400 lbs, student loans) pick one. (at least with going out we are in public and we can talk about our surroundings/the food/the drive/weather... I can talk about the amazing house (but be careful, they are having to redo the decorating she chose and that is a sore spot (as is the Co$t of it so.... my weight is a better choice but this gives me a nice 'stepping stone'. thank you!

Was just talking to my dad and realized something- its a non-addict talking to an addict. (do others consider themselves food addicts?). He was talking about 'if I let myself go I could eat and eat...but I don't' or 'I could easily weigh 300 lbs but....'. I don't think he really understands. "You can lose a lb a week...." (yes and what happens when it comes back?) History question- long term (10 year) success with the band? is there? (I am assuming yes) but worth asking.

Actually I have the surgeon several times for an earlier appointment but he is out of town and has a waiting list I gather (a good sign, I would almost be hesitant of anyone who could see me 'tomorrow' he is the ONLY person my endo recommends (and my endo does research for the Mayo Clinic and is a 'doctors doctor' that is good enough recommendation for me. I agree, about seeing him earlier, but oh well...

okay/....(playing devils advocate/my folks) why not do that BEFORE banding?

As you know I have my consult on Dec 1. I had a good talk with my Dad tonight (short version, friends are in favor/support of the banding, my dad/step mom (aka my mom) are NOT in favor). I finally had a good heart to heart with Dad tonight (background- he has been very very supportive over the years, to the point of severe enabling/.co-dependency) basically he has 'saved' me so many times in so many messes. I loathed to say it but I am, to some degree, spoiled. My folks helped me buy my home/condo (he did a lot of remodeling for free, she was my realtor), they have helped me with the car disaster, etc...etc...etc... I was severely molested by my mother and her boyfriends growing up. (I think my dad has always felt severe guilt for not seeing what was going on (or trying to raise a family and missing what was right in front of him). I turned to food as a way to 'hide' (if you are fat you get ignored (and if you are told you are very ugly/unloved at a very very early age it sticks with you). I don't think I have spoken to my mom in a year? (no biggie) Anyhow- Dad made a comment tonight (again he doesn't know the diff tween banding and bypass) he said "I am just looking for another crutch". I also realize I am concerned about my psych eval. (I went to culinary school, wrote a cook book, etc- my relationship with food is VERY convoluted lol) I also know I am seeing them for Thanksgiving and lap banding will be the "elephant in the room" (I DO wish my consult was BEFORE tgiving not after wards!!!). After talking about the major home remodeling they are doing (to sell the mansion they live in)...and their dog, my dog....her job/slow sales, my job/the large company I work for....oh- we are eating AT HOME (so they don't get to pick apart what everyone else is wearing/eating/etc).... so I guess I am trying to 'arm' myself.... as usual I know you will give some amazing feedback, from your hearts, and bands thanks (in advance) I realize I DO want their support in this... I honestly don't have any friends outside of work (and I tend to keep work and non-work separate....)

Its also helpful for me- I am doing my 'pre-consultation history' (can NOT remember years to save my life but...) helping to nudge those old forgotten memories....and move me forward. if we all had a dollar for the "today I will lose weight, start exercising, this week will be MY year, this month, this year, NEXT year, THIS birthday, I'll show THEM...." would be all put Bill Gates to shame?

I was born premature (in the incubator a month) the maid put sugar on my scrabbled eggs to 'fatten me up' (I remember my mother called me 'butterball' (charming). I was also molested sexually as a child so I turned to food to 'hide'. I was always a bit of a loner/outsider. I remember when my belly went from 'flat' to sticking out past my chest in high school. (I also remember being put on antidepressants in high school). Then I got TALL/big (I am 6'5"). I did a 30 day treatment center for my weight, I did Protein tablets 2 meals a day in the 80s. I remember going to weight watcters and being the only male, or under 30 (it was like a hen party...ugh). I am now 400 lbs and trying to look at starting the path (consultation is Dec 1). Every time I got down to the 'magic' 300 I would freak out and gain the weight back (I thought, when I hit under 300 I will be "happy" and people will flock to me and I will be "hot"..never happened.) my belly is my armor. it has done such a great job I am now a loner, jaded, and afraid to make friends for fear of being hurt.

So I got the article from my Dad from their local cutesy paper..."Shedding pounds the old-fashioned way".... his note was ""if you would PLEASE read EVERY word" The lady started at 475 is now 318 lbs. She was looking at BYPASS not lapband (a big difference in my mind, I would never consider the bypass, period, but that is just me...). She was also (in her words) "just fat" no high cholesterol, high blood pressure, apnea, diabetes, etc. (in my case apnea, type II diabetes, depression, cholesterol). She is also doing (it doesn't say OA but she calls herself a 'compulsive overeater' and goes to 'meetings' 3 x week (read OA) I once got a 1 year chip in OA. It didn't really work, for me. (nothing against that group). The article is VERY rambling, I think/guess it took her 5 years? to lose the weight? It also sounds like she went up and down.... and.... I feel like this is an apples and oranges thing...... one I go to my consult I will just bring back the solid info and go from there... I think they think they can whittle me down on this one.....nope.

Thats what I need to hear- if you were to do it again- would you? why/why not? I want to hear about the hard and challenges.... one of my biggest/worst character flaws IS my laziness...and lack of will power... tell me more?

Wow, brutal but true.... as they have had the "we don't want to see you die" conversation with ME.... (and with dads health I don't want to go before he does...(I would also like to be in a heatlhy, stable relationship before he leaves us too but...) keep hammering me folks- thanks.

smile- my dad even DID make that comment "if I ate what I wanted, I would weight 300 lbs!" maybe if I ask how the weather is? as to NOT telling, me being Mr Big Mouth has already let that cat out of the bag so..... (at least I am considering the surgery) one day at at time I guess.....

<sigh> thanks.... I just keep getting hammered by them...then he ask "so have you lost any weight?" (why does it sound like an accusation?) I also told him I am STILL going to the consultation... if nothing else to get information.... they have helped me out with several financial crisis in the past and I can't just walk away from them...I really really want their support in this but....it is MY decision. This board is such a huge help, thanks.

just got a call from my well meaning dad....he is sending me an article about a lady who "looked at the band surgery and decided she could just lose the weight herself and lost 75 lbs".... how do I....combat this discussion (over and over again with them...sigh)... anyone else? my folks are amazing, and supportive, etc....

SPEAKING of which.... just got a call from my well meaning dad....he is sending me an article about a lady who "looked at the band surgery and decided she could just lose the weight herself and lost 75 lbs".... how do I....combat this discussion (over and over again with them...sigh)... anyone else? my folks are amazing, and supportive, etc....

I can't speak to the suggestion to gain 10 lbs (am 398 here) but I do know I find myself going up and down.. (consult is Dec 1). Somedays are 'bandy' (eating good food) other days are crazy bad (1/2 gallon of ice cream, a whole pizza, high carbs, etc...). I think this is just normal for me....

my consult is Dec 1st, I am in a similar quandry (my insuarance does cover). btw- come back often- this is an AMAZING group.

Matt, thanks- this is where MY personal concerns come in (and my folks), I am basically very lazy (I think will power fits in there somewhere) and its one of the reasons I am on this board long before the events- to discuss... and not sure if I wanted to know there is a 'cake batter flavored' Muscle Milk (laughing). funny tho- even before my consult I feel like I have 'bandish days' and 'non-bandish' days (translation, did I go by the groery store on teh way home and get crap or not) thanks again PenNdulum

as a non-banded person, this sorta spooks me a bit- I have heard the horror stories of 'eating around the band' (and gaining the weight back...pardon my ignorance but is 'going to shakes' a slippery slope? what if (I) then 'moved over' to NON healthy shakes? (I love me some milk shakes/crap food). I know the focus is on Protein, but food is such a sneaky sucker.... how do I avoid the excuse of (when I get banded) 'Oh, I don't want solid food, I could "just this once" have a milk shake (with the evil ice cream, not the silken tofu/protein/etc)... not meaning to 'take over' the topic, but I can hear the 'healthy shakes' talk but part of brain is hearing...hmmm...ice cream?

my Pastry Chef friend (who had his band 5 years ago) talked about using Silken Tofu in smoothies (with Protein powder), he said it blended MUCH better...and maybe had higher protein? just a suggestion....

Congrats!

I am diabetic (no band date) and to get more Protein in the AM I simply spray a ramekin (or small round bowl) with butter spray (adds flavor) to about 1/4 to 1/2 inch, nuke it for one minute (the tallness of the bowl stops splatter) and done, I sprinkle a pinch of salt/pepper on it, and maybe some salsa or more cheese (I put it on frozen whole wheat waffle, but that is VERY non-band), its a great way (for me) to stay more full AND its hot too...again, try a dash of various spices to perk it up. (I like the ideas of a smidge of flavoured sauces..)