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I gained 1.2 pounds , but Im sure its the carb fest I had yesterday, fasting today, it will come off soon.

Thats what I thought it said too, but after looking at it again I realized that researcher said less protein was one way to get protection, the other way is fasting(the 3 1/2 day fast that Mosley did) which is protective, but goes away after a while. So Mosley went to other researchers who were studying alternate day fasting (the cheeseburger girl) and said you could get the protection with reduced calories on alternate days as well... (or the guy that was a calorie restrictor at the beginning who ate the bowl of fruit) So protein restriction did not become a big part of the 5:2. I believe I read in the 5:2 book that 50 gms min protein? I will have to look it up again.... I have been reading all kinds of fasting blogs and mix up some of the "facts"

I mostly use stevia.... however I think the point of the "opinion piece" is that when you eat something sweet, even artificial, it fools your body into thinking it has eaten something sweet (natural like honey, sugar) and it gives you a chemical response as if it was sugar. The calories are not there, so you may or may lose weight from using it...studies vary.... and think about if all those artificial sweet things we drink and eat were made with sugar, it might be a LOT of sugar, and we would really have a sugar addiction that can lead to diabetes and coronary desease... this is (may be) the bodies response to eating fake sugars. I know that sweet and low is very addictive to me... it is soooo sweet, if I start using it in my ice tea, thats all i want after a while! Not so much the other ones, but yes, them as well....

I can't eat sugar alcohols at all... My bowls complain so much, Its revolting! I mostly use stevia or splenda....

Being WLS people, I don't know if that changes things or not for us. Daisy, Just go with what you usually eat... I would say 1300 is probably OK if you do a little exercise. I eat 1200 if I do absolutely no exercise... up to 1600 if I walk 5 miles.... thats the range for me.

He didn't go into it to lose weight, but to get healthy, so that didn't cross my mind reallly. We have lost so much weight Georgia, we are now right there with him! A few more pounds, and even better numbers!

I forgot I was signed up... its free and very interesting! 'Caution' Warranted if Consuming Artificial Sweeteners Troy BrownJul 10, 2013 Consumption of noncaloric, artificially sweetened beverages (ASBs) is associated with an increased risk for disease variety of chronic diseases, according to an opinion article by Susan E. Swithers, PhD, a professor of behavioral neuroscience at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, published onlineJuly 10 in Trends in Endocrinology & Metabolism. "[F]requent consumers of these sugar substitutes may...be at increased risk of excessive weight gain, metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease," Dr. Swithers writes. "This somewhat counterintuitive result may reflect negative consequences of interfering with learned relationships between sweet tastes and typical post-ingestive outcomes, which may result in impaired ability to compensate for energy provided when caloric sweeteners are consumed," Dr. Swithers writes. The prospective studies Dr. Swithers reviewed found an elevated risk for weight gain and obesity, metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes, coronary heart disease, and hypertension in those who consumed ASBs. No decreased risk for weight gain or increased body fat percentage was associated with ASB intake. It was often difficult to compare the magnitude of increased risk with that of participants who consumed sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs), in part because of differences in intake. Participants who regularly consumed ASBs tended to have higher baseline body mass indexes compared with participants who did not, but some models that adjusted for that difference still found an increased risk. Studies that separately assessed risk among those who were not overweight or obese at baseline found that the risks of becoming overweight or obese, developing type 2 diabetes, and experiencing vascular events were increased even when considering baseline body mass indexes. Hormones, Brain Response Altered Dr. Swithers reviewed 2 interventional studies. The first found that children of normal weight who consume ASBs may have decreased weight gain compared with those who consume SSBs. The study did not compare children who consume ASBs with those who consume unsweetened beverages. In the second study, overweight and obese adults who substituted Water or ASBs for SSBs had no greater weight loss at 6 months than an attentional control group. ASB intake was not associated with improved fasting glucose, but water intake was. Brain responses are altered in those who consume artificial sweeteners compared with those who consume caloric sweeteners. In imaging studies of the human brain, sucrose activates dopaminergic midbrain areas involved with reward, but sucralose does not. Sucralose also reduces activation in other pathways related to taste when compared with sucrose. In addition, studies in humans have found that the release of hormones and markers of postprandial glucose homeostasis typically seen does not occur after ingestion of artificial sweeteners. Studies that combined artificial sweeteners in various ways with nutrients found that "artificial sweeteners may not augment nutrient-dependent release of insulin or the incretins in the same way that caloric sugars do," Dr. Swithers writes. "[C]urrent findings suggest that caution about the overall sweetening of the diet is warranted, regardless of whether the sweetener provides energy directly or not," Dr. Swithers concludes. Frank Hu, MD, PhD, a professor of nutrition and epidemiology and codirector of the program in obesity epidemiology and prevention at Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, commented on the article in an email interview with Medscape Medical News. "Overall, I think the jury is still out regarding whether drinking diet sodas instead of SSBs is truly related to obesity and [cardiovascular disease] outcomes, in part because of the complex methodological problems in studying the effects of diet sodas in epidemiological studies. Small, short-term, [randomized controlled trials] do show that drinking diet sodas instead of SSBs reduces weight gain or induces more weight loss in controlled settings," Dr. Hu said. "Because [the] intense sweetness of ASBs may condition people towards greater preference for sweets and may enhance appetite, and because of the possibility that some consumers of diet soda may use this as a rationale for consuming other higher-calorie foods, caution is needed for recommending regular consumption of ASBs," Dr. Hu explained. "In [the] short-term, ASBs is preferable to the use of SSBs. For those who want to kick the habit of drinking sugary soda, diet soda may be the beverage equivalent of a nicotine patch: it can be used in small amounts, for a short time. For most people, plain water and unsweetened coffee or tea are more healthy alternatives to either SSBs or ASBs," Dr. Hu concluded. Walter Willett, MD, DrPH, Fredrick John Stare professor of epidemiology and nutrition and chair of the Department of Nutrition at Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, commented on the article in an email interview with Medscape Medical News. He said that although he agrees with the author "that regular consumption of artificial sweeteners is not optimal, as these leave us conditioned to a high level of sweetness, which can distort our food choices," he considers a substantially better option than regular sugar-based choices. He notes, however, that the review by Dr. Swithers excludes a large analysis of beverages and weight gain, and some studies are misrepresented. "The risk of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease associated with artificial sweeteners is less than the risk associated with consumption of sugar," he emphasizes. This research was supported by the National Institutes of Health. Dr. Hu and Dr. Willett have disclosed no relevant financial relationships. Trends Endocrinol Metabol. Published online July 10, 2013. Full text

I'm not sure I'm ready to give truvia up....I did find non sweetened flavor drops on line.... I have a jug of decaf tea with Guava drops steeping in the fridge right now. I'm going to try and "use" that tomorrow fast day instead my instant green tea with honey, coconut and Fake sweetener that I love so much! I think there is something to getting used to a sweeter profile on my intake because of fake sugars. It's only two days a week.... I'll give it a try this week.

Looks like it to me! What page is that on? Looks like I'm right on the money. That seems kind of counter intuitive... if you want to stay the same eat what you need to stay the same for 5 days a week, and eat 1/4th of that 2 days a week.

Artificial sweetners http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/807615

I have been reading the studies saying your body acts like Artificial Sweeteners are real sugar... not the calories, but all the chemical reactions, so people who use artificial sweeteners have a higher incidence of Diabetes and Obesity than non users... even people who do not have a weight problem that were in the study may gain weight and have increased Diabetes.... lalalalalala!!! I don't want to know... I use them a lot too! I am trying to cut back.... and Southbeach talks about having Proteins along with sweet things to mediate the insulin kick back.... I don't know. SAD FACE. http://www.medscape....warticle/807615

I went out for nephews birthday lunch at Spaghetti Factory.... I got out of there for under 800 cals. Not that bad really. small dinner tonight and fast day tomorrow. I have kept off my last loss so far... feeling smaller! Do watch the BBC special I posted on the links page, it really tells the whole tale about how the 5:2 got started, and some details not in the book. It makes me feel even better about doing this! This program has been taken down from most of the web, so watch it quick, this sight may pull it as well. (don't know why!) Worth a look.

BMR is how many calories your body uses at rest...TDEE (I think it stands for Total daily energy expenditure) is how many it uses adding everything else you do as well during the day, exercise, walking, cleaning house, moving around at all...

I found a copy of the original 5:2 docu that started this particular movement: http://leangainsguide.com/diet/igf-1-and-fasting/ it is 57 minutes long, take time to watch it, its very interesting.

coops! I do believe this is working for you!

Many sources say you should not eat below your bmr. To lose weight you eat between your BMR and your TDEE. Most days of the week I eat below my BMR. I have tryed to get it up there, and sometimes I have been able to eat 1600 without gaining, but not at this time. Perhaps in Maintenance!

TDEE includes exercise. BMR is what your body burns just laying in bed. My BMR is around 1600. When I was adding calories to my diet trying to get it up to my TDEE I started gaining weight, and chickened out, and lowered my calories again. These numbers were done from charts, and a BodPod session I did towards the end of my weight loss the first time.... Obviously, they really don't work that well. Eating 1350 on feast days and 500-550 on fast days is working for me right now. I don't have much of a problem with that... but it is quite a bit less than the 5:2 people had in mind. Some of us are eating closer to TDEE on feast days, and some (spell the Georgia!) is eating quite a bit less some days....and losing more as well.... Im not sure what this conversation is about, but I do think about it now and then, and wonder what it all adds up to. I am happy that the 5:2 is working for me, Im usually not that hungry if I plan everything, and fast days are not that hard if I don't have other social events going on at the same time. Really, we are already eating in a life extension way to a degree... limiting calories daily... the fast component just adds one more layer to it. It will be interesting to see how this works for maintenance... going to 6:1 or even 13:1to maintain.... its not a true test, but the week I went on vacation, only fasted one day, ate what I wanted, I maintained my weight.

OK, we have skimmed this topic a couple of times... so I'm going to lay it out here. I have my MFP set up to figure my calories to lose 1 1/2 pounds a week. I did not lose that or even 1/2 pound a week on that much. (1200cals) I also let my fit bit walking and other exercise calorie burn to be added to my total cal allotment a day (1200-1600 cals a day including exercise cals). That is what I eat on feast days. Now I eat around 700-1100 cals a day LESS on fast days. This is not what the 5:2 people recommend... they recommend eating "normal" or TDEE on feast days ,and then if you don't lose, you can count your calories on feast days too. Most of us eat quite a bit less than that. My TDEE is supposed to be around around 2150 - All energy expended a day. What do you think about this?

Jun 11- 190.9 July 20- 181.6= -9.3 lbs!

Sometimes I log before I go... for part or all of the day (when I know) otherwise I try to do it pretty soon after eating. It changes from day to day... sometimes I log it all late if I have been away from the computer.... I even logged 4 days after I got back from vacation... hard to remember, but I did it just to stay in the swing of things as get a bit of a view of how much I was eating in a vaycay situation.... I logged exercise too...

When I'm Jonesing for Mexican…. 3/4 cup crushed Tomato (canned) 1 cup Water 2t chicken flavored veggie broth powder 1t canola oil 1 medium carrot sliced 1 medium sliced summer squash ( I like yellow) 2/3 cup St Ives or other veggie "ground round" type meat substitute from the refrigerator section.(two servings) onion powder chili powder mix to taste black pepper 1T parmesan cheese the kitchen sink. If you have the calories, sweet corn is a nice addition as well. Put all the ingredients except cheese in a medium pot, heat till the veggies are tender, around 15-20 minutes. pour into giant bowl, top with cheese. Makes a giant bowl of Soup. about 328 cals, 31 grams Protein and a LOT of yum! Add hot salsa if you want more kick. I like a chili spice mix with cumin, garlic , chili as dominant flavors… Can serve 2.... but I prefer to eat it all myself!

I am down 2.2 pounds from yesterday! Most of that is dropping the last bounce (hanging on for 7 days...) and then some. Gotta love that "then some"!

Georgia! Your a losing machine! I think after we do this for 6 months or something, we need to write the author and tell him about us! Now that I think of it I did use one of my "meat ladies" paintings as an Icon.... Haha! I know, Im weird! And proud of it! I dropped the bounce and then some. 181.7 (down from 183.9)- lowest yet this year. I may get into the 70's yet! You know how new numbers look so fresh! Its voodoo thinking, but I cant wait! Daisy! At one point I kept telling myself that I was not a good photographer, and really there was some evidence to support that in my photographs! But then I realized that the only way to get better was to DO IT MORE. I started doing it more, and I got better and better. Tough love here! If you spent as much time logging as you do saying your not good at logging, it would be all logged and you would be good at logging! (said with love and a smile!)

I'm a surrealist painter, so I LOVED your collages. I like how you mixed yours kids images in with the magazine images. Don't want to ruin anyones image of me, but now that i know I have a compatriot in art here.... 530 cals today, did fine after eating about 70% Cookies yesterday!....

I think its pretty flexable. Try and have some stretches with no eating. If you can pull off two 12 hour stretches that is great, if you can have another stretch in the middle of the fast day, better yet....maybe. I sometimes snack a little for breakfast and lunch and eat a "big" 300-350 cal dinner. This has worked for me. The last couple of days I have just had protein drink in the am-lunch, then dinner... that seems to work fine too. Keep it low glycemic, do what you can stick to, drink lots of liquids... because we usually get in some fluids with in our food, and we are not eating as much food, we should drink more during fasts.