This is an alarming video worth the viewing.

*Warning* If you are a Glenn Beck/FOX News/reality hater, you're not going to like this.

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Sorry, Glenn Beck is an idiot. He is nothing more than an entertainer with a skewed view of reality. So is Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Kieth Olberman and Rachel Maddow (see, there are idiots on both sides). You can’t really take anything that any of these nitwits say seriously.

Sorry, Glenn Beck is an idiot. He is nothing more than an entertainer with a skewed view of reality. So is Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Kieth Olberman and Rachel Maddow (see, there are idiots on both sides). You can’t really take anything that any of these nitwits say seriously.

I can when what they're saying I've been watching happen for a while.

When you hear exactly what you want to hear rather than all sides of an issue you are being entertained, not informed (IMHO).

I've watched Glenn Beck's show and have listened to him on the radio and if I believed everything he said I'd be too afraid to leave my house in the morning. He appears to be a fearmonger and I'm a middle of the road person where I listen to all news and try to decipher on my own what's really going on in the world.

Where fearmongering is, what is your thought on this "WE HAVE TO PASS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE-- ER, HEALTHCARE REFORM NOW"?

When you hear exactly what you want to hear rather than all sides of an issue you are being entertained, not informed (IMHO).

First and foremost, I don't have cable, so I don't have the luxury of listening to them all.

And I'm not WANTING to hear it -- it's just nice to know that not everybody out there is blind, deaf, and stupid.

I get enough of the left on mainstream media, and frankly, I hate, despise, and disagree with them 99.999 percent of the time. What's to hear that would "inform" me?

I've watched Glenn Beck's show and have listened to him on the radio and if I believed everything he said I'd be too afraid to leave my house in the morning. He appears to be a fearmonger and I'm a middle of the road person where I listen to all news and try to decipher on my own what's really going on in the world.

Nanook,

If you have access to SirusXM (if you are not a subscriber, I think you can still stream online) I would suggest checking out P.O.T.U.S. I started listening to them during the election and am now totally hooked.

I get enough of the left on mainstream media, and frankly, I hate, despise, and disagree with them 99.999 percent of the time. What's to hear that would "inform" me?

Beth,

The “mainstream media” term is a red herring; it implies that they are somehow in collusion – a ridiculous conspiracy theory if you ask me. I think in order to be truly informed one needs to listen to the biased pundits on the right and left (Fox and MSNBC) are good for this – but not too much because you will risk being sucked into their madness. Then I try to get most actual news from “unbiased” news outlets. Personally, I like CNN, Mcneil/Lehrer, NPR, BBC (I need a world perspective too) and P.O.T.U.S. Unbiased is in quotes, because obviously no source is really unbiased. They all have political affiliations and corporate sponsorships – but to me they seem to be more middle of the road. Well, except for CNN - they sometimes can be as bad as Fox and MSNBC.

Beth it's too bad you don't get cable TV because the best info I get sometimes is from the Stephen Colbert Report on Comedy Central. Sometimes it helps to laugh at some of the crazy shite that's happening in our country and the world.

Beth,

The “mainstream media” term is a red herring; it implies that they are somehow in collusion – a ridiculous conspiracy theory if you ask me. I think in order to be truly informed one needs to listen to the biased pundits on the right and left (Fox and MSNBC) are good for this – but not too much because you will risk being sucked into their madness. Then I try to get most actual news from “unbiased” news outlets. Personally, I like CNN, Mcneil/Lehrer, NPR, BBC (I need a world perspective too) and P.O.T.U.S. Unbiased is in quotes, because obviously no source is really unbiased. They all have political affiliations and corporate sponsorships – but to me they seem to be more middle of the road. Well, except for CNN - they sometimes can be as bad as Fox and MSNBC.

I DO believe the bulk of the media is very left leaning AND in collusion with anybody on the left, ESPECIALLY Obama. I have watched them give him a pass where NO right-leaning pol ever would get one. And it's not just Obama -- they did so with Clinton as well. However, because so many seem to see BoB as the second coming, I believe he is given more of a pass than usual.

Jaded, I know. And again, I don't have cable, so I can't get those sources except online.

However, your comment that "sometimes" CNN can be as bad as FOX... erm, I see them as one of the biggest left-leaning culprits along with MSNBC. Yes, there was a time that I DID have cable. :laugh:

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Beth it's too bad you don't get cable TV because the best info I get sometimes is from the Stephen Colbert Report on Comedy Central. Sometimes it helps to laugh at some of the crazy shite that's happening in our country and the world.

Now THAT I could handle.

Don't even get me stared on the cable thing... it's not MY choice. :laugh:

You tell people these days that you don't have cable and you might as well tell them you don't have indoor plumbing. :tt2:

You could still probably watch those shows on line that's what I would do.

You could still probably watch those shows on line that's what I would do.

Yeah, we'll have to see. I begin a full load of classes (17 credit hours) at the end of August. I doubt I'll be watching much of anything for, oh, the rest of my life (it seems). :laugh:

Well good luck with school, that's a big deal! Both my daughters are in school one in grad school other still working on her bachelors and I know how hard and taxing that can be I get to live vicariously through their classes.

Well good luck with school, that's a big deal! Both my daughters are in school one in grad school other still working on her bachelors and I know how hard and taxing that can be I get to live vicariously through their classes.

Am I too old t be a co-ed? :laugh:

If only we had had all this delay, debate and consternation about the lead up to the war in Iraq that was totally unjustified instead of with health care reform. Bush gave the WMD inspecters 10 minutes to inspect, then he invaded at a cost of nearly one trillion dollars to date. Blank check after blank check was issued without any discussions, fear mongering or debate. After all, to be opposed to this costly (in terms of lives and money) war was to be unpatriotic and be with the terrorists. If only this war had been debated to the extent that health care has (after all it has been discussed since the Truman administration) perhaps nearly 5000 soldiers would still be with us and we wouldn't have had to borrow a trillion from China to finance it.

The Iraq war cost money and lives and we got nothing for it. Health care reform saves lives. 18,000 people a year die from lack of health care. But where were all these fiscal conservatives who are so concerned about the cost of health care when the Iraq war was being waged? Not one person or reporter asked Bush where he was going to get the money to fund the Iraqi war. Not one. And he and Cheney were completely wrong about the war - about everything - from the lack of WMD's to being greeted as liberators to the cost of the war to how long we would be there. But no one held them accountable. And still the blank checks kept coming. But now, all those same people are asking ad nauseum, ad infinitum about the cost of health care reform. Even though health care is profit driven and helping to contain those profits will contain some future costs.

All of these arguments against health care reform are red herrings to divert attention away from the real issue which is that profit driven health insurers will still be able to do what they have always done: 1) sell policies 2) collect premiums 3) deny as many claims as they can get away with 4) make obscene profits. Why would they want to change any of this?