BethFromVA

Well... let's just hope that a potential new employer would never put an employee in that position unless they have their minds made up. Otherwise it really puts people in precarious positions. Let's also hope that if they DO talk to her (maybe they are just testing you?), that she isn't a biotch.

Joan, I bow at your feet! You nailed it right on the head, m'dear. And I'm sorry that you, who needs the help, are being treated so badly. Canadian medicine DOES NOT WORK. Socialized medicine DOES NOT WORK. Hell, I heard about a week ago that somebody pretty high up in Canada (government, I believe) came HERE to get medical care. Now why is that? If their service is sooooooooo good, why come here? The government is about incompetence and stupidity. I wouldn't hand over a taco stand for them to run, yet they think they can do real estate (wrong, already failed), medicine (fails wherever they are involved), cars, etc. The government is also about greed and theft. There are those who say that the big, bad businessman is the devil, that he's greedy, that because he flourishes off of what he built, he's somehow evil. YET, the government, who had NO involvement in the flourishing of that company, thereby having nothing to do with the accrued wealth of the businessman, decides that it has the right to tax the businessman MORE for his reward for a job well done and STEALS his money from him. Yet the government isn't greedy. The government isn't the devil. The government is treated like Robin Hood because the government steals from one to give to another. There are people who believe that is right, people that are JUST. THAT. STUPID. And the biggest greedmeister of all is Obama. Wasn't one of his campaign promises that he wasn't going to raise taxes on those who made below "X" amount of money? Seems to me that cigarettes, food, sodas, etc., hit the very people he swore he was going to protect. The very people who drank his kool-aid, who chanted after him like he was a god, who are being screwed royally while looking on adoringly on this idiot. Yes, let's have socialized medicine. :wink2: You tell it like it is, like those of us who have RESEARCHED it KNOW it is all about. People dying because they can't get a gall bladder removed? That's just the tip of the iceburg. But I guess SOME think that's okay. What I want to know is, if medicine will only take care of those who "deserve" it -- those who aren't too young or too old, and who have "worth" because they can be viable members of society -- then what the hell is different between THIS and what Hitler did in trying to create a perfect race by eliminating those who were "less than"? Nothing, from where I'm sitting, except that the government will use government medicine to do it rather than one squirrelly little man with a funky moustache.

Believe it or not, my DD has all that. She wears a size 0, is 5'10" tall, and has a very full D cup. Though I love her, I hate her. :wink2: Okay, wait -- disclaimer: I saw you said big FIRM boobs. She's complained since having the baby that they are a bit further south than they used to be, but still... she wears a tank and it looks like she has a second bum.

YAAAAY!! Y'know, I need to really do those happy dances. Then at least I would be getting in some exercise. :wink2:

Yes, it was. LOL at Plain! :wink2:

Look, just because your town's so small your hospital is housed in one doesn't mean the rest of us are all Wal-mart all the time.

Most doctors won't even take Medicaid because of the way that screws them! No doubt you toss in government healthcare, the "dirty hands people," and you can forget it. Uncle Sam will be determining who lives and dies and is worthy of getting care. They ruin every single thing they touch and do. This will be no different.

It is a problem, yes. I am just not willing to always jump to conclusions when obvious racism is readily available.

Look at that gorgeous baby!!! :wink:

But don't you see how sad it is that it may have been something totally unrelated to race, and here she is feeling hurt over it, thinking it's racism? I find that almost sadder than racism itself! It imprisons people and makes them victims all the time, and I feel that is very hurtful to one's psyche. AND unnecessary.

Well, that is very sad that you find it fun. But it explains why it keeps happening.

But again, if her examples are similar to the two she mentioned here, I still stand by my assertion. Now if they do something that is beyond-a-doubt racially motivated, then yes, they should be hung by their privates. However, if it's just assumed on her part that that's what has happened, like the examples given here, I'm sorry but I just can't chime in here and agree with her.

BJean, take a pill. Seriously. You are out of control. Again. :wink:

Until or unless I see PROOF that the OP was mistreated with racism, I stand by my opinion of her case. And yes, it IS my opinion. These were not cases of racism. The sooner she lets go of that, the happier she'll be. There are enough cases of REAL racism out there without having to create it out of thin air.

Her FEELINGS are valid only to the extent that she chooses to believe what happened was a result of racism. Nothing more. My backup is that there was no mention that anybody called her a racial epithet, forced her to the back of the bus, told her she didn't belong there, nobody hiss or spit at her, NOTHING. One person didn't talk to her and another person moved. SO? There's no more proof that those two cases were due to racism (as written) than there is proof that those two people were actually aliens from the planet Zorg and were afraid that their identities would be revealed if they talked to her or sat by her. I can at least deal in facts, proof, and back up my stance. Which is something I see you still refuse to do in this case. Instead, you came out with your fangs out because I said maybe these situations really weren't what the OP assumed. Period. Considering how you initiated the contact between us tonight, I'd say you are the one that has the issues. It can't be good for your blood pressure, dear. And you never seem like you're having fun. You are too busy sputtering and spitting. That's fun? Whatever...

What PROOF is there that it had to do with her skin color and not her weight? Or her PERFUME, for all we know? I moved away from a woman who was wearing a perfume that had a manufactured rose scent to it. She was hispanic. Did that make me racist? I absolutely cannot STAND anything with that fake rose scent. Not being there, YOU don't know what really happened either. And not being a mind reader, you don't know why the woman really moved. You're simply jumping on the bandwagon of Debbie's belief that it simply "MUST" be due to her skin color. Based on what I've heard, I'm not convinced. And just because I'm not convinced in THIS case in no way negates REAL racism! It doesn't mean it never happens! I'm just saying in these two instances, I'm not convinced. Let's just say it would never hold up in a court of law.

Didja tell 'em to polish up your halo? Heck, my prior boss (from the place I left because I was soooo "bad"), the one that retired, told one place they would be stupid if they didn't hire me, and told another I all but walked on water. Now, that said, I'm still looking but... you get the picture. :wink:

BJean, I was going to give you one of my "long" posts that you have such humongous problems being able to follow, but frankly you're not worth the time OR the energy. Besides that, the issues you have are too deeply rooted in bitterness. You can't debate; you can't argue facts; you can't back up assertions with proof; and you can't read minds because you got HeadHunter and me WAY wrong. The one thing you COULD do is put me on ignore, but for whatever reason you choose not to do that. Seems to me you can't do much of anything right. Must suck to be you. When racism TRULY exists, I am vehemently against it. I just don't go for examples such as Debbie's and automatically she was being mistreated by the big bad white man. :wink:

Then those are horrible people. I never said it doesn't happen, but sometimes stuff like what the OP posted lends credence to the possibility that it's worse than it probably really is. That's all I'm saying. Societies will always have their idiots. We can't change them. But don't give them power, either, but seeing a racist behind every bush.

Apparently it makes a difference to some. I say no, it doesn't. However, I guess I don't see the situations as being these horrible experiences. One lady moved. Maybe it was because it was tight, maybe because there was room elsewhere on the bus. Not being there, I have no idea. Does it hurt those of us who are fat? Yeah, but that doesn't make it "fatism." It may just mean that the other woman wasn't physically comfortable with the seating arrangements. It was her right to move. To me, "fatism" is where a plane kicks people off their planes for being too fat, humiliating them in front of others and denying them the ability to use the aircraft. As for the bus driver who didn't talk to her -- again, there really isn't anything of substance in this assertion, to either claim it was "fatism" OR racism. Or ANY ism for that matter. Maybe he didn't hear her; maybe he has had her on the bus before and doesn't like her; maybe he knows the man who followed her. It could be ANYthing. I just think it's terribly unhealthy to go around with one's feelings hurt all the time and reading things into scenarios that just aren't there. Unless I hear that the woman who moved called her the "n" word or fatso, I can't assume it was anything other than that she just wanted to move. I've done that on buses before when there was lots of room for people to sit and somebody plunked down next to me. If there's enough room to have my own row, I'd prefer to have the row to myself. I have moved. It had nothing to do with anybody's weight or color or hairstyle or choice of clothing. We can't change stupid people. All we can do is change how we react to them and let them affect us. That said, I think to mistreat people simply because of their race is horrible. However, I think it enslaves people that much more when they see racism at every turn without ever thinking there just might be another possibility.

Assuming I was correct, the weight issue CAN be corrected -- rather than having this poor woman with these horrible thoughts in the back of her head every time somebody looks at her sideways. What a horrible way to live one's life.

I lived in Texas for 27 years, about as south as you can get; and trust me, when Bush was elected, much worse was said about him. How many times was he called a redneck or a cowboy (and not in that good way)? Now if something was said to the OP, that would be a totally different story, one that I couldn't disagree with. But as it is, she is basing her story on conjecture on her part which is likely way off base.

As for being "brave," HH, I appreciate it, but it's sad that we live in a time of thought police where people can't feel free to express their opinions for fear of being bullied or labeled. I, for one, couldn't care less about labels. I said what I thought it could be, and unless proven otherwise, I still stand behind it. As for the thought police, I believe that if people continue to be threatened or bullied or bashed into silence, then the thought police can make the world into anything they wish. In other words, if they scream it's all about race, and people are afraid to disagree for fear of being labeled or harassed, then they unwittingly play the game. Now I preface this by saying I don't believe racism is anywhere as bad as some would have us believe; but let's face it, there are benefits to being perpetual "victims." Those who play the victim benefit, and those who pander to the victim further the idea that "racism is alive and well" and lurking everyplace you go. It just isn't the case. This country elected a black president, for crying out loud. Give it up already.

I just see that it could have been any number of reasons for these two incidents. I guess I just have come to the conclusion that when one hears hoofbeats, it doesn't automatically mean it's zebras. Sometimes it's just horses.

By the way, BJean, what color/race am I? HINT: My avatar pic is not me. Not even close.