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This question might be really premature, but that is me (the ultimate planner): what is a good progression to work through the beach body programs, considering the current available programs? I have read online from certain individuals that graduate from px90 before doing insanity before doing insanity asylum. So it makes sense for me to do this also. Sure beach body will come up with better programs over time, but what about this progression: 1. P90x 2. Insanity 3. Hybrid pdx90 and insanity 4. P90x2 5. Insanity asylum 6. Px903 7. T25 Forget that I will probably be over 40 by the time I get this far (almost 38 ). I am having a hard time deciphering from online research how to work through these in terms of working towards better and better fitness. Steps 1-3 are pretty clear for me. Even step 4 and 5 make sense to follow. However, does one gain anything by doing step 6 or 7? I am pretty fit now, but do want to start at the beginning (p90x) before getting into the really hard stuff (step 5). I do not feel the need to take any short cuts. Humor me by working through this exercise of planning, even if you think it is overkill.

After you have a good pair of good running shoes (I use Nike Pegasus), then I would check out Chi Running approach. http://www.chirunning.com This is how I learned to run starting back in December 2012. Literally my first run was a 5 k in 28 minutes on my treadmill at 230# ( I am 180# now). Sure, it was hard but I feel chi running made it possible. The main points of chi running (copied from the site): "Reduce impact, stay pain-free, and run with confidence. Our ChiWalk-Run program is a great way to get started. By taking short ChiWalking breaks during your runs, you'll easily increase your aerobic-cardio capacity and walk-run the 5K distance in just 8 weeks. Improve your posture, core strength, and use gravity to make running easier. You don't need killer calves to be a runner. ChiRunning teaches you how to use your large core muscles to move you forward instead of overworking your leg muscles, greatly reducing fatigue and risk of injury. Check out our ChiRunning for Beginners blog for an introduction to the ChiRunning technique. Make running a fulfilling practice. Learning ChiRunning is an engaging process, so every run gives you the opportunity to discover something new. Our newsletter supports your practice with Chi fitness tips, recipes, and special offers. Sign up here! - See more at: http://www.chirunning.com/what-is-chirunning/beginning-runners/#sthash.XU17wviJ.dpuf" It really does work and, might I add, brings joy to running. It has helped me run long distances (up to 20 miles at a good pace) and fast (4:30 mile pace for a few miles with 30 seconds rest between miles). Leveraging gravity and practicing the good chi running form allows anyone, even those with injuries or structural imperfections,to run with grace and ease. I hope it helps.

There are some less intimidating and, hence, more intimate gyms out there like anytime fitness where they limit memberships and members tend to be very down to earth. Just like you and me. These types of places sometimes work out a lot better for the average person who feels a little (or a lot) of intimidation at the standard franchises like LA fitness, 24 hour and Golds. Personally, I have done both in the past and found the big boxes a little sterile and it looked like there were a lot of hard bodies barely doing anything. Not very motivating. Now I work out at home, but did spend the last year in a more intimate gym environment (cross fit) where " everyone knew your name "( cue cheers theme). I guess you need to find out what works best for you and not be afraid to stick to your values when making a decision on it.

CGJ- I have been thinking about your comments for a couple hours. I understand that someone who is on biggest loser should not be doing a filthy 50 (sorry, had to get the reference in). You know, 50 of each exercise without rest : box jumps, jumping pull-ups, 45# back extensions, wall balls, toes to bar, double unders, etc (12 different exercises) just because Bob H thinks they should to blast the fat off and get massive scale drops (he is now a very rabid cross fitter). However, why should that apply to a formerly obese now fit person? I think where there is a will there is a way. A WLS graduate should be able to stand side by side with the best of them, maybe even perform better. It just takes the right type of training and commitment. And be careful about not getting injured. Even professional athletes injure themselves. Anyways, I get your point, but am not willing to accept it. Not yet.

Thank you for taking the time to provide your comments. It is true. My personality is always push push push and I try to excel at whatever I put my mind to. As for cross fit, it was gradual during the first 6 months (2-3 days a week in box, 3 days of other exercise) and did not really ramp up until the last 6 months where all I did was 6 days of cross fit met con and strength training. That was my mistake. I should have done about 3 days of met con 100% effort a week, 2 days of strength training with no met cons and 2 days of active rest. Learned my lesson on it. My mentality the whole year was not about cross over addiction or about addiction at all; Rather, it was about doing my best and actively preparing myself for the coming cross fit games. And I have come a long ways. I can do a 4:30 minute mile, a 5 minute Fran, a 20 minute filthy 50, etc. push-ups and pull-ups are easy and I can do dozens of them unbroken. All my lifts are improving except overhead stuff (s n a t c h, overhead squat, etc). I can do a 350 # deadlift, a 220# front squat, a 300# back squat. Thought I could "bring it" at the cross fit competitions if I just put enough effort in. This took a year to advance to from basically only able to run long distances (10k+). Sounds like a normal athlete mentality, but again, you are right about listening to my body when pushing does get to be too much. I did not take the time to deload and rest, instead always push though the discomfort and fatigue. I will always give 100% in my focus to whatever I am doing, but I am going to do a better job at resting when I even sense a hint of overtraining and/or burn out. As I stated in my original post, I am not blaming anyone, not even the sport of cross fit. I hope to come back to it some day when I have a better approach to push and rest.

Op- did your surgeon recommend 80g minimum Protein a day? High protein really does help with the following: 1. Healing 2. Weight loss 3. Insulin regulation 4. Muscle preservation Like the previous poster stated, it is very hard to eat 80 g of protein from food alone, especially during the first few months. Very hard. So we supplement with protein shakes. Most good protein shakes have, on average, 30 g of protein where most Protein Bars have, on average, 20 G protein.

You might like the Trader Joes adult chewable high potency vitamins. 200% of everything so works well for bariactric patients. You just need to chew 2 a day. Both my wife and I, along with countless others, have gotten nauseous , gagged, threw up, etc on the Bariatric Advantage nasty berry flavored chews. Our NUT approved us taking the TJ adult chews.

Thank you for the kind words everyone.

Thanks - I am big into research and will read this book.

Hey -you made it . See I told you it wouldn't be that bad. Now the fun recovery part. Be sure to get walking as soon as possible. See how many laps you can get around the floor.

Yes, the high sugar content and the low protein had me curious. Typically, I am not taking in carbs after a workout, but do optimize on protein and bcaa. I carb up 2 hours before a workout (the complex variety - steel oats mixed with scoop protein). I always have great workouts. Maybe that is why my gains are slower despite great workouts. Diet is supreme clean. I need to eat more simple carbs after working out? If you thinly this is what is going on, I will definitely invest in the r&r. However not quite convinced. Sell me.

I am a strong person and do not usually quit something unless there is a good reason. A couple days ago I quit cross fit. There I said it. My conscious just won't let go of the guilt. There is nothing wrong with the concept of cross fit nor the people I worked out with daily for a year. We sweat, cursed, bled a little, got sore and collapses on the mat in a heap together. As a team. I never did sports in high school and this was a close to a team as I have been. I loved every moment of it. Except when I got injured. And I got injured often, almost chronically in my back and my shoulders. It was to the point I had trouble making progress in strength and, well, it was just not as much fun. I did not look forward to certain workouts because I knew it would either lead to disappointment or to unnecessary body ache. And not the good ache like sore muscles, but structural ache. However in the back of my mind, I knew if I stuck with something long enough, I would eventually get good at it. I didn't improve on certain Olympic lifts nor did my pain diminish. I got tired of constantly hurting so I made a decision to walk away from it. It was partly my fault as I went to long without taking adequate rest (would run 10k on my 1 non cross fit day while doing a highh intensity met con 6 days a week). I focused a lot on form and spent countless hours practicing good mobility, but I still struggled to have good form on some of the more technically challenging things like Olympic lifts. Just was not mobile enough in my hips and shoulders. However, I kicked ass at the things I could do like running, rowing, pull ups, pushups, double unders, box jumps, squats, etc. I feel so guilty. I am not a quitter in anything I put my mind to. It is hard breaking up with cross fit, with the coaches with my friends there. I had to walk away even though cross fit has done so much for me in terms of overall fitness. Sigh. I feel so guilty. I hope to return to it again someday when the fun is back in it for me. And I am better about not injuring myself. Now I am going to try something else that will help me go after my fitness goals, but not be so prone to injury. This last week I did something completely different. It was strength workout, but off a DVD. Not only did I feel better after each workout, I got stronger day by day. The DVD is designed to do on a daily basis without leading to overtraining and / or burn out. I am going to start a new program at home (p90x) and see where that takes me. There is certainly a lot that can be done with this program and programs like it. In the meanwhile, if you have any suggestions to ease this guilt, please share. Sorry for the long post, but I had to get it out. Part of the grieving process I suppose. I feel like part of me has died.

Here is my short and sweet answer: low carb it as low as you can during the first 6 months and then start introducing complex carbs over a couple months. Low carb instructs your body to burn stored fat as fuel instead of carbs from food. Don't do it forever because it is hardly sustainable (for both muscles and brain), but a great tool during those initial months when optimization of weight loss is key. By low carb, try 20-40 carbs a day, keep your protein macro high and the fat macro should take care of itself (obviously, do not eat high fat) . This approach is not for everyone, but if you can do it, the weight will fall off fast. Really fast. It is key to introduce the complex carbs slowly as you increase calories slowly after month 6 (your body will go "carbs, what are those?" And store them if too fast). Eat the good stuff like steel oats, quinoa, fiber one, beans, lentils, etc.

I am excited to hear how well this program works. Keep us posted! I am about to start in on a p90x program so maybe having a pact could help pay for it. Lol.

By the way, your thoughts on the Results and Recovery drink (anyone can chime on): http://www.amazon.com/P90X-Results-Recovery-Formula-30-Day/dp/B004LY4OLM/ref=pd_sim_sg_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=194JCG5JH45TQAQCPHQF Is it any good? I rarely deal with soreness now even though have been "bringing it" daily for a while with intense workouts (just see my posting history). Maybe p90x will make me sore? Don't know. I am almost hoping so. Really! I currently supplement my workouts with beta alanine, creatine, caffeine, bcaa, Vitamins and a Protein shake (ON Hydrobuilder). All of which help with workout performance and recovery. Again, rarely feel soreness except a little in my upper back that I deal with by rolling out or mashing. Would this p90x drink be worth it for me or is it just marketing and designed for folks not used to intense work outs?

Thanks everyone for your thoughtful responses. It means a lot to me. Cheers!

I mean to say if you did the p90x/insanity hybrid...

Scuba chick, a better me- how does one do a hybrid of p90x and insanity. Aside from cost, wouldn't that require potentially 3+ hours a day and wouldn't you need to be concerned about burnout and/or overtraining? A question that has been floating around in my mind : if one follows p90x with insanity, could it potentially undo some of the gains from p90x? Would you want to supplement your insanity program with 2-3 days of pure lifting days to keep up the muscles or is straight insanity enough for this? I am just trying to think about the next steps after p90x.

Its not so bad and over before you know it. A very relaxing experience overall. Think happy and calming thoughts. you are doing something very positive for your life going forward.

I remember your insanity posts. It was perplexing why the program caused weight gain for you; however, I can see why it causes injury. Lots of people have commented on insanity leading to injury based on Amazon reviews. I have spent the time reading through 100s of these reviews, to try and really educate myself on the finer details that can only be revealed by empirical evidence. Even though p90x biggest flaw is the time commitment, it is not that far off from the time I have spend in my box over the last 6 months (average 90 minutes). I think p90x is going to be the winner for now, but I like the idea of going p90x/insanity hybrid in the future. I want to focus on building up more strength and I think, for me, p90x is going to help with that. I also want the beach body. I do not need to lose any weight and have a very good cardio response (from cross fit metabolic conditioning), so that is not going to be my focus for fitness improvement at this time.

Thank you for your comments on Insanity. They are really helpful. Question: if you could do it again, would you do t25 or insanity? The one negative I keep reading about on insanity is people get injured. I do not want injury, but do not mind discomfort if it is going to result in a gain. I am a fairly fit guy that does not need to lose any weight. Furthermore, I have pretty decent fat percentage (18% currently) and good muscle definition. However, I want to build an even more awesome athletic male physique. Will Shaun T help me with this? Thanks.

Hi all - For those of you that faithfully completed insanity, p90x or a program like that can you please give your opinions of both the good and the not so good. What did you like most and what did you like least? Is it going to challenge someone who has been doing daily cross fit for a while ? One thing I do not want is to spend more than 90 minutes a day working out. 45 minutes would be ideal. And I cannot spend a ton of money, but can invest in something that costs as much as p90x if it is truly going to help me achieve my fitness goals. I have also been looking closely at this MMA fighter inspired program: http://www.amazon.com/Rushfit-Georges-St-Pierre-Ultimate-Training/dp/B005OL8NHW/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1393285226&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=Crossfit+dvd Looks pretty decent and costs much less than insanity or p90x. Who knows, maybe I will enjoy mma type exercises and mma will be my new passion. I am looking into a structured program that will push and challenge me to achieve even greater fitness in terms of cardio and strength, but not cripple me. That is important and must hold true when working out 6 days a week. Cross fit kept crippling me when doing it 6 days in a row for months, but got me in absolutely fantastic fitness shape. Sort of a love hate relationship with it so I decided I need to break up with it for awhile. And it was super expensive not only in terms of monthly dues, but also in terms of equipment, clothing, etc. The last structured DVD set I did before cross fit was called "you are you own gym" and I enjoyed doing that. It was pure body weight exercises, but done in a Tabata manner. This last week, I have been doing bob harpers "inside out " method (pure burn, super strength, and bobs workout) and it has been great. I get an excellent strength based conditioning program of 60 m and feel alive afterwards. Really alive. And i did it every day with nothing but strength gains and an excellent fat burn. No soreness. No aches. No pains. The problem is that it is the same DVD every day. No sense of progression except if I increase the weights which I can not do often enough. I want to try something new that I can do out of my home with limited strength equipment. I have a few dumbbells (up to 55#) and a few kettle bells (20, 30 and 45#), but that is about it. It looks like most of these programs can be done with that. I could make up my own program of cross fit type conditioning and isolation lifts (have the knowledge), but I would rather leverage structure from a DVD program that is known to be effective. I would hope the DVD program takes no more than 12 weeks. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Op - why are you so angry? In every thread? We are just trying to help.

If you happen to like eating out, you can save a lot of money by eating during happy hour. This is true especially if there are two of you to split a meal. There are a lot of bar food type items (e.g. nachos) that end up on the menu you want to avoid, but there are other good choices like lettuce wraps, satay, meat balls, sliders sans bun, etc. These end up being between 5-10 in price and can split without worry about left overs. A lot of restaurants also have been adding " small plates" to their menus knowing most will order 2-3 ala carte style. Little do they know (or perhaps they do know...), a small plate is perfect size for WLS guests and significantly less than ordering an entree. And no left overs, depending on how much you eat and/or if you are splitting. Hope these ideas are helpful in reducing eating out costs.

I really enjoyed reading your post. Thanks! I am sure it will help many.