Cleo's Mom

Who other than someone who thinks they're god can pass judgement on someone and call them immoral? You don't know me and you know nothing about my morality. My political views don't make me immoral. And that's what you're basing your insult on. You call yourself a christian who follows the word of God but you are mean-spirited and you insult, judge and name call. Where does it say in the bible to do that? Your posts don't reflect christianity in my view. And no amount of bible quotes or backpedaling is going to convince me otherwise.

I am certainly at least as moral as you - and furthermore, I am right. When you said in a previous post (on another thread) that all my posts were hate filled (which was a lie) the gloves came off as far as I was concerned. And I will give it back to you in kind. You also posted this question to me: Are you black or something? Cause you certainly are coming off as an offended black person who is hanging on by a thread to your President simply because he matches your skin tone. That is very offensive. And what does.."or something" mean? Are you implying that only people of color support Pres. Obama? You are a very judgemental and you look down on those who disagree with you and call into question their morality. How dare you. :thumbup: You say that I am not your teacher, well you are not my god!!!

First, my condolences for having to live in Texas. I feel your pain. LOL. But you are exactly right. Howard Dean said it best when he said that the south has been voting republican for 40 years and what have they done for them? Nothing. The poorest parts of this country are in the south. I have posted this question on several different threads: What major program has the republicans passed that helped the middle class, yet alone the poor? I read an analysis that the PR firms hired by republicans, among others, could make poor people protest estate taxes. The republicans are very good at reducing issues to a single sound bite. It's usually a lie, but it doesn't matter. It is said to incite, fear-bate or create hate. And it does.

All of these republicans and by extension, the teabaggers, none of whom voted for Pres. Obama, just hate, hate the fact that he was elected president. They hate his popularity. They hate how smart and well spoken he is (thus their sarcasm about teleprompters, that they use, btw). They hate that he gave a smack down to the dumb republicans at the GOP retreat. So what to do with all this hatred? Hide it behind phoney concerns for healthcare, spending and the deficit (where were these concerns under bush? Hmmm?). The 95% white teabaggers have never accepted Pres. Obama as their president. So it is a lunatic assembly of birthers, secessionists, John Birchers among others. They want Obama (and therefore this country) to fail so that they can succeed in getting elected. So let them take over the government - again - and then they will own the problems. There is NO way they can make the government smaller like they promise (nor have they ever even while in power). And we've seen the failed policies of the republicans under bush. The republicans are not going to support anything that Pres. Obama proposes. Nothing. And we need to make sure the public sees them for the hypocrites and do nothings that they are. I make sure I do my part.

Saving money does not create jobs or stimulate the economy. Spending does. It's that simple. And when Pres. Obama (as a concession to the republicans) gave 1/3 of the stimulus money as tax cuts, we saw that. People didn't spend the money and help create jobs. They paid bills or saved it. There is nothing wrong with that on principal - just that that doesn't create jobs or stimulate the economy. Spending does. And the stimulus spending worked. We needed it then and now.

From Pattygreen:This is just another story among many that proves the stimulus money isn't 'stimulating' any jobs. Obama is wasting alot of money trying to get jobs up, yet it's only going into the hands of politicians who are abusing it. Once again, for the slow learners: :thumbup: In a report released on Jan. 13, 2010, the president's Council of Economic Advisers estimated that between 1.77 million jobs and 2.07 million jobs were created or saved by the stimulus through the fourth quarter of 2009. Separately, the council's report cited four independent analyses of the same question. These estimateswere by the Congressional Budget Office, Congress' nonpartisan number-crunching arm, as well by three private-sector economic-analysis firms. Here's what those groups found: • CBO: Between 800,000 jobs (low estimate) and 2.4 million jobs (high estimate) saved or created. • IHS/Global Insight: 1.25 million jobs saved or created. • Macroeconomic Advisers: 1.06 million jobs saved or created. • Moody's economy.com: 1.59 million jobs saved or created. In the report, Obama's economic advisers argue that their estimates "are consistent with a broad consensus of numerous professional forecasters. The fact that such a range of public and private forecasters broadly agree with our assessment should increase confidence that the act is having a substantial stimulative effect." Once again, PG, don't let the facts by experts stand in the way of your wrong opinion.

“Rather than use dollars for teachers and principals to buy more supplies, we chose this. We find very little of those supplies end up benefiting individual students as it relates to achievement levels,” Lewis said.(Lewis is the superintendent, not in the union) “We sent teachers because these are the people who will come back and teach our young people.” Last year, the school system paid America’s Choice, a program which provides professional development to educators, $8 million of the $52 million it received under the federal stimulus program. The six-year contract was designed to help improve academics at 40 of DeKalb’s 93 Title I schools -- all of which have not consistently made adequate yearly progress, Lewis said. Under the contract, DeKalb agreed to send school staff to the program’s conference at the Renaissance Hollywood Hotel in Los Angeles. However, the conference fees -- including $91,000 for registration and $290,000 for hotels, flights and meals -- were not included in that $8 million stimulus package. The district had to take that money from Title I funds. About 45 teachers, 50 reading and math coaches, 39 principals and 32 assistant principals, with about 20 central office staff, will spend three days learning new teaching models for math, science and reading. The district also has to pay for substitute teachers to cover classes while those 45 teachers are away. The school employees boarded a plane in Atlanta on Wednesday and are scheduled to return Saturday. They will then train the staff at each of their schools on the teaching methods they learned. Lewis said it would not be efficient to send only several teachers and have them train the whole district because of the size of the school system, which is the third largest in the state. “If we were going to send five or 10 or even 15 and have them retrain everyone, the year would be over before we could train all the teachers,” he said. “Time is of the essence.”

I've posted ad infinitum about the hypocrisy of the republicans with respect to the stimulus, including the republican hypocrisy hall of fame (shame?). They are experts at talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Let's start with the free handouts to corporations - called corporate welfare. I have previously posted what this costs us and I am all in favor of doing that and making it very costly to them if they move jobs overseas.

Karey - I am glad you got it out. How did the doctor remove it in the office? The port incision is usually the biggest one and not done laprascopically. Were you just given a local? I hope you still got a copy of your operative reports. You might need them in the future. But for now, you just need to heal and get better. Good luck.

One year in, the evidence is clear – and growing by the day – that the Recovery Act is working to cushion the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression and lay a new foundation for economic growth. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the Recovery Act is already responsible for as many as 2.4 million jobs through the end of 2009 As a result, job losses are a fraction of what they were a year ago, before the Recovery Act began The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act: Cut taxes for 95 percent of working families through the Making Work Pay tax credit Cut taxes for small businesses Provided loans to over 42,000 small businesses Funded over 12,500 transportation construction projects nationwide, ranging from highway construction to airport improvement projects Made multi-billion dollar investments in innovation, science and technology that are laying the foundation for our 21st century economy Provided critical relief for state governments facing record budget shortfalls, including help to prevent cuts to Medicaid and creating or saving over 300,000 education jobs Economists on the left and the right have stated that the Recovery Act has helped avert an even worse economic disaster What did Pres. Obama accomplish? Fewer job loses, positive GNP growth, saving the economy from a second depression. I can understand that those too stupid to understand a bar graph might not get that things are improving under Pres. Obama's economic policies. But none of that matters to those birthers, John Birch society members, the secessionists , racists and the other extremists who make up the tea party movement.

In recent weeks, we have witnessed liberals in the highest level of government sanctimoniously defend terrorists who kill us while persecuting those who defend us from murderous attacks. Really? Read on: from dailykos; Two senior Taliban leaders have been arrested in recent days inside Pakistan, officials said Thursday, as American and Pakistani intelligence agents continued to press their offensive against the group’s leadership after the capture of the insurgency’s military commander last month. Afghan officials said the Taliban "shadow governors" for two provinces in northern Afghanistan had been detained in Pakistan. Mullah Abdul Salam, the Taliban’s leader in Kunduz, and Mullah Mir Mohammed of Baghlan were captured about two weeks ago in a raid on a house in Akora Khattack, according to a leader at the Dar-ul-Uloom Haqqaniya madrasa there. NYTimes.com So here is your Talking Point for the Day on National Security if a wingnut says Obama isn't doing everything he can to keep America safe. President Obama has caught more Taliban Leaders in 1 month than Bush/Cheney did in 6 years The arrests come on the heels of the capture of Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban’s military commander and the deputy to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the movement’s founder. Mullah Baradar was arrested in a joint operation by the Central Intelligence Agency and the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan’s military intelligence agency. NYTimes.com I have taken to heart the advice that Progressives should be just as loud about good news as we are about bad news, so, in that spirit, I gladly give you this GOOD NEWS - and no, it's not good news for John McCain. The Taliban played a central role in the planning of 9/11 and the training of the terrorists who launched that attack. The Taliban harbored Osama Bin Laden and American troops had Bin Laden cornered in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan when then President George W. Bush and President Dick Cheney decided to let Bin Laden go so they could invade Iraq for Oil and declare mission accomplished. At the time it was a stupid decision that cost America the lives of our troops, plunged Iraq into chaos and drove America's debt through the roof, and most Americans do not know this. So let's spread the news. There is a new Sheriff in town, and we are finally doing the job we were supposed to do, the job that Republicans ignored for years and years. And now, under a new President, we are beginning to finally bring the Taliban to justice. More proof that ELECTIONS MATTER. 2010 is upon us, with mid term elections only months away. It is time for EVERYONE who is opposed to the lunacy and corruption of Conservative governance to GRAB A MOP. It is time for us to FIGHT BACK. That starts with messaging. So let's spread the message far and wide, and let's Yell Louder when we do it. So spread the GOOD NEWS. Make it viral. Shout it from the frigging rooftops, and Yell Louder! President Obama has caught more Taliban Leaders in 1 month than Bush/Cheney did in 6 years Put that in your coal pipe and smoke it, wingnuts.

From Pattygreen: Cause there is really no reason to admire Obama or anything he is doing to this country of ours. Saved our economy from collapse, among other things. See below. From dailykos. A partial list of Pres. Obama's accomplisments: A week before he was sworn in, Obama jammed part two of the bank bailout down the throat of his own party — a $350 billion accomplishment. Two days after he was sworn in, Obama banned the use of "harsh interrogation" and ordered the closing of Guantánamo. A day later, Obama reversed George W. Bush's funding cutoff to overseas family planning organizations — saving millions of lives with the stroke of a pen. Three days after that, Obama gave a green light to the California car-emissions standards that Bush had been blocking for six years — an important step on the road to cleaner air and a cooler planet. Two weeks after that, Obama signed the stimulus bill — a $787 billion accomplishment. Ten days after that, Obama formally announced America's withdrawal from Iraq. A week later — we're in early March now — Obama erased Bush's decision to restrict federal funding for stem-cell research. In April and June, Obama forced Chrysler and GM into bankruptcy. In June, Obama reset the tone of our relations with the entire Arab world with a single speech — an accomplishment that the Bush administration failed to achieve despite a series of desperate PR moves (anyone remember Charlotte Beers?) and a "public diplomacy" budget of $1 billion a year. Also in June, Obama unveiled the "Cash for Clunkers" program, a "socialist" giveaway that reanimated the corpse of our car industry — leading, for example, to the billion-dollar profit that Ford announced on Monday. I haven't even mentioned Sonia Sotomayor, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the order to release the torture memos, Obama's push for charter schools, his $288 billion tax cut, or the end of Bush's war on medical marijuana. Or the minor fact that he seems to have — with Bush's help, it must be said — stopped the financial collapse, revived the credit markets, and nudged the economy toward 3.5 percent growth in the last quarter.

But those slackers need cable tv for their big screen tv's - don't you know? :sad:

I've always maintained that the conservative/republican movement is mean spirited and cold hearted. We see it at this week's Obama bashfest at the CPAC. At this event: -they have made fun of Pres. Obama's physical appearance (ears) -smashed pinata's of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid -urged people to walk on the faces of news anchors from MSNBC on mats to "stamp out the liberal media". What are these people? In 8th grade? Is this who we want to lead our people during this economic crisis? Then there are the teabaggers who at a recent event in the state of Washington had this to say about their democratic senator Patty Murray: And there were some strong words spoken at Saturday's Tea Party in Asotin [WA]. "How many of you have watched the movie Lonesome Dove?," asked one speaker from the podium. "What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd? What happened to Jake when he ran with the wrong crowd. He got hung. And that's what I want to do with Patty Murray." So, they not only advocate the otherthrow of the government now they want to hang those who don't agree with them. The teabaggers are just middle aged, middle class angry white racists who are just mad that an african american is president and they try to disguise this by claiming to care about healthcare, spending and the deficit. Well maybe they fool some of the people but they don't fool me.

Using the teleprompter: At the republican "Obama Bashfest" (a/k/a CPAC) both Jim DeMint (who wants healthcare to be Pres. Obama's waterloo) and Marco Rubio criticized Pres. Obama's use of the teleprompter. How do we know this? Because they were reading it off of - you guessed it - a teleprompter.

I will copy my first post, because you obviously didn't read it or chose to ignore it. Republican hypocrisy - where to start? Let's start with the handling of terrorists: The republicans have been relentless in their criticism of Pres. Obama's handling of terrorists. - In 2009, we caught twice as many terrorists as did bush. - Only the terrorists released from Gitmo by bush have rejoined terrorists groups. - bush tried hundreds of terrorists in civilian courts while Pres. Obama is criticized by republicans for doing so. - bush took 10 days to respond to Richard Reed (the shoe bomber) but Pres. Obama was criticized for taking 3 days to speak about the Christmas day underwear bomber. - bush tried the shoe bomber in civilian court but Pres. Obama is criticized for wanting to try the underwear bomber in civilian court. - the republicans leaders criticized the underwear bomber being mirandized but were told on Christmas Day that the FBI had the underwear bomber in custody. They claim they didn't know the FBI would mirandize him!! The shoe bomber was mirandized within 5 minutes. The Obama administration has an excellent track record with regard to handling terrorist and terrorism. No apologies to the hypocritcal conservatives is needed. Oh, and BTW, just in case you missed it, we captured the #2 Taliban terrorist in Afghanistan. Big capture. Very important. Better tell Beck because he confused it with Al-Qaeda.

from open congress.org Bill Containg Debt Ceiling IncreaseNew Debt Ceiling Level EnactedNumber of Republicans in Senate Voting “Yes”111-H.J.Res.45 – Increasing the statutory limit on the public debt (the current bill)$14,294,000,000,0000111-H.R.4314 – To permit continued financing of Government operations (2009)$12,394,000,000,0001111-H.R.1 – American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (2009)$12,104,000,000,0002110-H.R.1424 – Emergency Economic Stabilization Act (2008)$11,315,000,000,00033110-H.R.3221 – Housing and Recovery Act (2008)$10,615,000,000,00034110-H.J.Res.43 – Increasing the statutory limit on the public debt (2007)$9,815,000,000,00026109-H.J.Res.47 – Debt limit increase resolution (2006)$8,965,000,000,00051108-S.2986 – A bill to Amend Title 31 of U.S. Code to increase the public debt limit (2004)$8,184,000,000,00050108-H.J.Res.51 – Debt limit increase resolution (2003)$7,384,000,000,00050107-S.2578 – Debt limit bill (2002)$6,400,000,000,00031105-H.R.2015 – Balanced Budget Act of 1997$5,950,000,000,000Passed by unanimous consent; 55 Republicans vote in favorBill Containg Debt Ceiling IncreaseNew Debt Ceiling Level EnactedNumber of Republicans in Senate Voting “Yes”111-H.J.Res.45 – Increasing the statutory limit on the public debt (the current bill)$14,294,000,000,0000111-H.R.4314 – To permit continued financing of Government operations (2009)$12,394,000,000,0001111-H.R.1 – American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (2009)$12,104,000,000,0002110-H.R.1424 – Emergency Economic Stabilization Act (2008)$11,315,000,000,00033110-H.R.3221 – Housing and Recovery Act (2008)$10,615,000,000,00034110-H.J.Res.43 – Increasing the statutory limit on the public debt (2007)$9,815,000,000,00026109-H.J.Res.47 – Debt limit increase resolution (2006)$8,965,000,000,00051108-S.2986 – A bill to Amend Title 31 of U.S. Code to increase the public debt limit (2004)$8,184,000,000,00050108-H.J.Res.51 – Debt limit increase resolution (2003)$7,384,000,000,00050107-S.2578 – Debt limit bill (2002)$6,400,000,000,00031105-H.R.2015 – Balanced Budget Act of 1997$5,950,000,000,000Passed by unanimous consent; 55 Republicans vote in favorBill Containg Debt Ceiling IncreaseNew Debt Ceiling Level EnactedNumber of Republicans in Senate Voting “Yes”111-H.J.Res.45 – Increasing the statutory limit on the public debt (the current bill)$14,294,000,000,0000111-H.R.4314 – To permit continued financing of Government operations (2009)$12,394,000,000,0001111-H.R.1 – American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (2009)$12,104,000,000,0002110-H.R.1424 – Emergency Economic Stabilization Act (2008)$11,315,000,000,00033110-H.R.3221 – Housing and Recovery Act (2008)$10,615,000,000,00034110-H.J.Res.43 – Increasing the statutory limit on the public debt (2007)$9,815,000,000,00026109-H.J.Res.47 – Debt limit increase resolution (2006)$8,965,000,000,00051108-S.2986 – A bill to Amend Title 31 of U.S. Code to increase the public debt limit (2004)$8,184,000,000,00050108-H.J.Res.51 – Debt limit increase resolution (2003)$7,384,000,000,00050107-S.2578 – Debt limit bill (2002)$6,400,000,000,00031105-H.R.2015 – Balanced Budget Act of 1997$5,950,000,000,000Passed by unanimous consent; 55 Republicans vote in favor The republicans consistently have voted to raise the debt limit in the past under many administrations, it is only under Pres. Obama that they vote no on everything.

Republicans and smaller government: Republicans always promote smaller government. We hear that from them all the time, as we have from the meeting of all the big wigs of the conservatives as they meet for CPAC. They are offereing constitutional conservatism (I wonder if this will be more successful than the contract with america??) called the "Mount Vernon Statement" which confirms the smaller, limited government. The reality however is that the government grew under all republican presidents, even when they controlled everything. Under bush- with the creation of the Homeland Security Dept. - it grew larger than it had in decades.

The stimulus: Republican Sue Myrick (NC) told a town hall group: "Why shouldn't you just keep your money and create your own jobs instead of sending it to Washington?" A statement like that is called a GAG (guaranteed applause getter). But again, not so fast, because in a letter to her constituents she said the stimulus money would lead to solar energy jobs in areas hard hit by unemployment.

The Stimulus: Republican Eric Cantor has been a vocal opponent of the stimulus bill, voting against it and criticizing it for not creating jobs. But not so fast!! On April 25, 2009, Eric Cantor said this about the stimulus money to his state and district for a high speed rail system: "This will create a lot of jobs for the commonwealth and most of them in this area, between 85,000 and 160,000 jobs".

Back to the issue at hand - republican hypocrisy: Healthcare mandates: During the Clinton presidency, when healthcare was being debated, Republican Senators Grassley and Hatch proposed an individual healthcare mandate as part of the republican proposal for health care. Fast forward to Pres. Obama and Senators Grassley and Hatch - yep, you guessed it - oppose an individual mandate in healthcare.

Of course you wouldn't think that you have benefited from any government program. You are a self-made man. If you took out student loans, the government guaranteed them. Your college might have received government funds or subsidies. There are government regulations on banks for mortgages. Your savings are protected by FDIC up to $250,000 (unlike our investments in the private stock market). You were entitled to a free public education regardless of ability to pay (oh, I know your parents paid plenty in taxes, but that's not the point). There are many ways government programs touched your life whether you know it or not. If you work for a corporation there are tons of corporate welfare and tax breaks. And there are many more but you get the point, I think.

You're just another angry, mean-spirited young conservative who thinks everything he got he earned but other people are leeches on society. A dime a dozen.