Tired_Old_Man

You are faily accurate. The reason I will not dicuss any more that I have faith in Jesus with Ron, is because I have watched him pick apart anyone that does not agree with his interpretation of scriptures 110%. Knowing that I believe in Jesus and knowing that I believe that Jesus can save me from my sins is not good enouigh for Ron, but it will have to be. I have never asked Ron to change his beliefs of what the Bible says or means. I have asked him to admit that his "knowing" is actually faith. I have asked him to stop condemning other people's beliefs, to which he answers, that he doesn't do it, scriptures do it. I will be 62 years old in 6 weeks. Ron is already 62. He does not have to ack like we are two kindergarten children. If he will not exchange ideas with me, then all I can say is "No one is more blind that one who will not see".

Still waiting for you to learn to say, "In my opinion", "I don't see it that way", "my understanding of the Bible is that...", "according to my faith", "I have faith that..." or any one of many other ways of saying what you want to be heard by other members without putting anyone down.

Laws like minimum wages and vacation time?

Eating pork is also an abomination and eating a ham and cheese sandwich would be a double abomination.

Petscans of the human brain have shown that most children do not reach the "age of accountability" until their early to mid 20's. Until then, the brain is not developed enough for control.

What reasons to you have for your belief that BuSh is sincere? Because he is a self-professed Christian? No, you think that without trusting Jesus as your sin offering, you will go to HELL! You do not know it. Because some book says it, doesn't mean it is true. I have faith it is true and so do you, but you confuse faith with knowledge.

Many people have contended for years that when Christ rose from the dead, that it was not corporeal, but a visible spirit before the women. Would that be any less of a miracle? Matthew 28: 1: In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2: And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3: His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5: And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6: He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7: And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. 8: And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. 9: And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10: Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. 1-Corinthians: 15 1: Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2: By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7: After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

Where is the part about the " fake scientific evidence"?

Unless each of these English Bibles says exactly the same thing, they all can not be literal. Even if they did all say the same thing, it doesn't mean that they are correct or literal. Translation is more an art than a science. But that should make the anti-science people happy. I was always amazed at how Liberal became a dirty word. I remember on my union job, how Conservative Republican coworkers would call me Liberal just before going on their 2 week vacation that they were able to afford by making double-time for overtime after 4 hours of time and a half overtime. Now, I am seeing science changing into a dirty word. When I write about BuSh, even if I only print what he actually said (and which can be looked up), I am told I am BuSh bashing. And invariably the protests come from people who read the Bible and take it to be word for word correct, except when context is needed to make their argument correct. Instead of context, politicians now use the word "spin". So I guess one could say the Bible is literal except when it needs spinning to make it fit. Well, this dirty Liberal is going to bed. I will say a pray before going to bed, asking Jesus to stop people from using his name in very unchristian ways. He of course will ignore my request, because his father gave us free will 4 thousand years before Jesus was born. I wish I had a spell checker built in to this forum. Oh, before I go to bed, I just want to tell you of a horrible thought I just had. “Someone smears this thread with vulgarities and Ron unthinkingly deletes the first post, dropping his post count from about 657 to 5.”

Your Biblical beliefs are fine with me. Just stop telling people that your beliefs are the only allowable beliefs and that their beliefs are inferior to yours.

Weight problems often at the start are usually symptomatic of deeper problems. Once the body gets used to over-eating to compensate for the deeper problems, the thermostat and hunger management systems of the body can be and very often are thrown out of kilter. A lap-band can help with the physical aspects of weight control, but the emotional needs can only be solved with professional emotional help. I am quite sure that I am not the only one who hears your cry for help in your gleeful posts. Though I am not the only one, I may be one of the few who is so bold as to risk the censure of the larger group here, by telling you to save every penny you can on foolishness, fun and enjoyment in order to get some professional counseling. If you can not afford it, there are 12 step programs like Codependents Anonymous that might be able to help you. You may be fooling yourself, but I am sure that there are many here who you are not fooling. You are young and have so much life to experience. Don't throw it away playing games.

What is written and where?

What is God sitting on? He has no butt.

How do you do that?

I don't have that spell-check ican on reply screen. I wonder if it is because I am using Firefox on a Linux operating system.:faint:

However, the world was never built up by man the way it is now. That is a fact. There was never 6.5 billion people, like there is now. That is a fact. When was the last Global Warming of this magnitude? How many years before the Earth was created as per the Bible (which indicates a 6,000 year old Earth)? That is a fact. How do you move New York City and its 8,000,000 people? That is a question Much of NYC is only about 16 to 20 feet above sea level. That is a fact. A 23 foot increase in sea level and goodbye much of Florida, Washington DC and NY, Boston, etc. That is a fact. The USA's economy would never recover in my lifetime or the lifetime of my children. That is my opinion . How about India, Bangladesh, and so many other countries (I do not even feel like spell checking them)? That is a question. There is a direct correlation between the temperature rise and the CO2 rise. That is a fact. You can dispute whether it is a causal relationship, but there is a relationship. What do we have to lose by cutting down on CO2? What do we have to lose by cutting US dependence on Middle-East oil? That is a question. You will not wager your soul, why wager your life, your children's lives and your grandchildren's lives? That is a question.

However, the world was never built up by man the way it is now. There was never 6.5 billion people, like there is now. When was the last Global Warming of this magnitude? How many years before the Earth was created as per the Bible (which indicates a 6,000 year old Earth)? How do you move New York City and its 8,000,000 people. Much of NYC is only about 16 to 20 feet above sea level. A 23 foot increase in sea level and goodbye much of Florida, Washington DC and NY, Boston, etc. The USA's economy would never recover in my lifetime or the lifetime of my children. How about India, Bangladesh, and so many other countries (I do not even feel like spell checking them)? There is a direct correlation between the temperature rise and the CO2 rise. What do we have to lose by cutting down on CO2? What do we have to lose by cutting US dependence on Middle-East oil? You will not wager your soul, why wager your life, your children's lives and your grandchildren's lives?

I am not trying to change your beliefs, except the belief that you have the right to tell other people that their way of worship is not as valid as yours.

Not all the social woes, just the ones he is responsible for (although he gets his marching orders from Jesus). You seem on the other hand to delight in defending the biggest liar (about life and death matters) ever to sit in the White House. The governor of Illinois, a Conservative pro-capital punishment Republican commuted all the death sentences in his state when during a period of time, 13 death row inmates were found to be 100% innocent while 12 others were executed. The Illinois governor suggested to the then Texas governor BuSh that since both state use the same judicial system, maybe BuSh should look into some of the cases a little more closely. But BuSh didn't, saying that Texas didn't make mistakes. By the way, Texas just released a death row inmate last week. BuSh knew that his excuses for the Illogical Illegal Iraqi Invasion were bogus. The “Uranium from Niger) statement was taken out of a October 2002 speech, but he used it anyway in the February 2003 “State of the Union” speech and then his subordinates outed the (CIA agent) wife of the man who proved the uranium claim false. BuSh kept after the CIA to find evidence linking Hussein to 911, after they came back over and over again and said "No", until finally George Tenent, needing to keep his job, told BuSh what he wanted to hear. It is not in the Bible, but it is all out there to read. I told everyone months before the Illogical Illegal Iraqi Invasion what would happen, but BuSh kept his final solution ready for the breakdown of resistance by his subordinates and then unleashed the Illogical Illegal Iraqi Invasion. BuSh's own father predicted the trouble that would ensue from invading Iraq, but BuSh Jr. said he consults a "higher father" when asked why he didn't take his (human) father's advice on Iraq. If BuSh acted in good faith, I wonder, "faith in who and/or what"? BuSh said that he wanted to invade Iraq 7 months before 911 at his first cabinet meeting. The Illogical Illegal Iraqi Invasion was a self fulfilling prophecy, one in which the evidence was manufactured to fit the verdict.

No, I will not, because no matter what I tell you, you will harp, weasel, console, beg and threaten me to change my views until they conform with yours. And Global warming will destroy the Earth before my views conform with yours.

I don't know if anyone has heard the news, but there is a claim that the boxes that Jesus and his family were buried in have been found. "While the Bible tells the story of Jesus and his resurrection, this box could show physical evidence that he existed, was buried and that he had a son, Judah." While that might upset those that believe in the word for word Bible, it will not interfere with my faith, because, I don't care if it was the human body of Jesus that was resurrected or a hologram type image that one could put their hand through. It is all the same to me. I guess some group will come out with a new connotation of the word “resurrected” (was that in Greek, Hebrew of Aramaic?), so that the people who need a literal Bible can say, "I told you so", while others will deny any facts that may be shown "as science run a muck". It is nice to know that until "Global Warming" destroys the Earth (or at least its ability to support human life), there will be something interesting to debate.

So letting people on death row die when other states show a high percentage of innocent people on death row, and bombing innocent civilians is "the fruit BuSh bears" to prove that he belongs to Jesus? How come you (claim to) see through Hitler, but you can't see through BuSh?

I don't know if anyone has heard the news, but there is a claim that the boxes that Jesus and his family were buried in have been found. "While the Bible tells the story of Jesus and his resurrection, this box could show physical evidence that he existed, was buried and that he had a son, Judah." While that might upset those that believe in the word for word Bible, it will not interfere with my faith, because, I don't care if it was the human body of Jesus that was resurrected or a hologram type image that one could put their hand through It is all the same to me. I guess some group will come out with a new connotation of the word “resurrected” (was that in Greek, Hebrew of Aramaic?), so that the people who need a literal Bible can say, "I told you so", while others will deny any facts that may be shown "as science run a muck". It is nice to know that until "Global Warming" destroys the Earth (or at least its ability to support human life), there will be something interesting to debate.

The Bible can teach whatever someone wants to believe it teaches, but many people claim to be in communication with Jesus and still do some horrific things. Not only don't they do good works, but they do evil deeds.

Would it not be accurate to say that someone who was saved by Jesus, but then did no good works and in fact, reverted to doing bad works might knock that someone out of Heaven? And would someone who believes in Jesus use "Shock & Awe" on civilians in the country where the "Garden of Eden" was? And on the direct descendants of Adam and Eve, to boot?