TommyO

Gadget, sorry I went away and forgot my follow up. It was some time ago that I made my last post and I had planned to respond to what I thought would be your reaction to my post. I have lost interest in this forum a bit and do not come here often any more so did not respond. My intention was to show how rhetoric dialed up to a high level, does not work, in fact it often has a counter affect. It would seem this would have been a more effective plan had I followed up with you immediately after you responded to my post. That, in the very least would have made my attempt at making a point much less feable than this. Cheers TommyO P.S. to all who care to listen. I have had the band for over 3 years and have lost over 120 lbs. I am very happy with the band and would do it again for certain. My satisfaction with the band is not the reason I don't participate here at the LapBand forum. I believe my reason for staying away is that this site becomes less relevant, as a support tool as you get further along in your journey. One day you realize that you are spending your time at the site arguingwith some crazy fundamentalist christian about abortions, it's then you realize that it may be time to move on. I pop in for a visit from time to time but hopefully this will be my last post. Good luck eveyrone and to all the Pro-Choicer's keep fighting the good fight!!

See there you go, I make a statement that I disagree with your methods and I am evil but you call people murderers and still you get to judge me. Your rhetoric is fine to you only because you believe it to be not because it's right. You choose to intepret my words based upon your pallet and as such you tell the world more about you than you do about me. Your arrogance and hate creates a blemish on what is a beautiful world but you will never understand this because you think your beliefs make you right. You are no different to me that any other religious fanatic and as such you scare me. Spewing your hatred against those you disagree with, yes you can paint me as the bad guy but in truth I think I know where evil lurks.

FYI writing chalk notes on the sidewalk and praying to a mythological deity outside any building is freaky enough for me. You don't have to be yelling and screaming to appear odd this sounds like the behavior of fanatical religious zealots from where I sit. You know Gadget your last comment to me may seem to be a positive statement but it feels quite patronizing to me. You have no problem calling those in the pro-choice movement baby killers and murderers but when I call those of you on the religious right crazy you depict me as a negative person. You expect me to dial it down but at the same time you keep it dialed up adnauseam. Fundamentalists use a deity and a holy book to justify their bad behavior at the same time to proove the bad behavior of those they disagree with. I don't have a god so bad is bad and good is good either way it's up ones to interpretation. The only difference is I don't feel compelled to include a higher power to justify my side. What if I told you I was proud of you for behaving better and that I was praying for those poor wretched souls that don't know any better, would you think I was being patronizing?

Gadget, I'm not going to be here long but it is good to see your still fighting for what you believe in. I disagree with your beleifs but I commend your commitment to them however misguided I may believe you are. But you must realize that this is a fight you can never win. Even if abortion was made illegal in the United States (highly unlikely) it will still be legal in many other places. It seems to me there must be a better approach cause the one that you folks on the pro-life side are taking just doesn't seem to be working. Maybe dialing down the rhetoric might help!!!

Just kidding, I take it back please ignore my last statement.

I've been away for a while good to see that this is still in full swing, Hey Gadget are you still pushing that Ark thing too. Welcome to the dark ages!!!

To Which god do you refer??

Before you leave could you re-read your posts and try to imagine why they may be taken offensively

My Goodness you sound very angry, I just wanted to have a little fun but your anger seems to make you incapable of seeing humour. I think you need to get over the whole Moses thing, as much as I can understand how that would make you angry, especially when you include that he had to spend time with idiots, still this episode in biblical mythology seems to have impacted your outlook.

All the pretty flowers guarantee that God exists, I was an athiest until just now. How could I have forgotten about the flowers. I am not trying to offend anyone but what about the pretty flowers?

Comments like that suggest that you do vote for political candidates because of the the colour of their skin or their gender. The problem with the far right is no matter how hard they try and pretend they have a political agenda based on a high moral order it's hard to hide the racism and sexism lurking behind the curtain.

Actually it would appear, that a healthy women has a choice before and after getting pregnant.

Just to be clear, the decision is an individual one, Gadget gets to decide for Gadget and Flipflops decides for Flipflops. They do not get to decide for others, they can have an opinion but they don't get to decide. They will never get that and I understand that, it's okay to think you should be able to force your beleifs on others as long as you are not actually able to do so.

The lady was placed on a ventilator, it would appear that being hooked up to a man made machine that provides oxygen to the lungs might have had something to do with it. As well oxygenated blood can be moving to the brain without a detectable pulse. I would say this is definitly an unusual occurance but explainable.

Plain, I am a left leaning Liberal who believes strongly in a socialist agenda. I have always had a huge problem with authority and that is why I may appear Libertarian. My issue with authority is based on my belief that respect is earned not a birthright. This may have something to do with my Irish heritage. I believe in government although I also believe that government must work for the people and because, in a democratic country, governance is earned through election I have no problem with that authority. My issue is when one individual believes they have the right to make decisions for another without being asked. So it doesn't matter if it's the bossy kid in the school yard who takes the ball unless everyone follows their rules or if it's some tryannical dictator I stand opposed. I was the kid in the school yard who said "take you ball and shove it up your a*s, we'll just play with this rock" :wink2: