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from pattygreen (with reference to my posts about violence from the teaparty and right wing):"This 'violence' you speak of is in your head as well as every other liberal out there who would just 'love' to see it be true. Since it isn't true, they feel the need to make it up." I will say the same thing to you, now. You have made up all of this, none of it is true, you have made it up and it's all in your head. You would just love it to be true. When the posts about the teaparty violence were made, I don't recall anything being said about condoning violence from the other side but condemning it from the right. So, I hardly see where all your ad infinitum, ad nauseum posts have any relevance. They're just further deflection from the issue at hand. AND THAT ISSUE IS WE WON ON HEALTHCARE AND YOU LOST. PERIOD.

I know you meant did anyone carry out physical violence that their sign reflected? No, I don't think bush was lynched.

No, you are the hypocrite, PG. None of these people threw bricks at the republican's offices or severed gas lines at the home of a man with 4 children under 8. Signs might be offensive, but they are not vandalism or violent. And when you couldn't counter any of the endless examples of hypocrisy on the part of the republicans that I started with my thread, you found a reason to have it shut down. That won't stop me though. :eek:

Did any of the anti-bush protestors sever a gas line, throw bricks through windows of republicans who voted yes on the Iraqi war?

Video Democrats threatened over health bill March 25: Some lawmakers are taking extra security precautions after receiving death threats over their votes in favor of health reform legislation. Msnbc’s David Shuster reports. msnbc tv

Enlarge AP Photo/Monroe County Democratic Committee This picture provided on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 by the Monroe County Democratic Committee in Rochester, N.Y. shows damage to their office after a glass door was struck with a brick with a note reading "Exremism [sic] in Defense of Liberty Is no Vice" sometime from late Saturday, March 20, 2010 or Sunday, March 21, 2010.

You are getting increasingly desperate, PG. These signs are irrelevant to the issue of violence from the right that is taking place TODAY!!

I'm sure the secret service never looked into any of these threats against bush, being that they are liberal democrats. :eek: And I'm sure fox news never reported any of this either and of course it was eliminated from that liberal internet. Oh, wait, no it wasn't. You found it, didn't you? :tt1: Just another tactic to deflect. Is that all you have now, PG, you have to go back and dig up some old pictures?

Well, then, that just makes it okay that those on the right have engaged in violence. Did this man actually bomb the white house? Let me think for a minute. Ah, no. I guess his SIGN (which is a non-violent protest) makes it okay to sever the gas line at the home of a brother of a democratic congressman, or throw bricks through window of democratic offices or spit on reps. Yes, it's all so clear now. :tt1:

:tt1: Yawn.

By Susan Page, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — More Americans now favor than oppose the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds — a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against the legislation. By 49%-40%, those polled say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms — as "enthusiastic" or "pleased" — while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

We won and the american people are seeing the truth about this healthcare reform and in 6 months when many of the popular aspects of it are implemented people are going to see that all the doom and gloom predictions by the lying right wing just aren't true. The tide is turning and the polls reflect it. People are moving over to thinking this bill is a good thing. See my post below. So, just keep on fighting it PG if you choose but healthcare is the law of the land. It doesn't matter if republicans win in November, they don't have the votes to repeal it. And all these AG lawsuits? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money. They will lose. The government demands (mandates) that we do things like paying taxes, or during a draft - serve in the military. So, keep fighting if you have nothing better to do. But for the rest of us, we won and we're moving on.

From Factcheck.org. Only a partial list of debunking the lies on this youtube video. You can go to fact check for the complete list: Claim: Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! False: This section merely requires a study of “the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets.” There’s no mention of auditing employers, only of studying “markets.” The purpose of the study is to produce “recommendations” to make sure the new law “does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure.” Claim: Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! False: This section says nothing whatsoever about “rationing” or anything of the sort. Actually, it’s favorable to families and individuals, placing an annual cap on what they could pay out of pocket if covered by a basic, “essential benefits package.” The limits would be $5,000 for an individual, $10,000 for a family. Claim: Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) False: Actually, the section starting on page 30 sets up a “private-public advisory committee” headed by the U.S. surgeon general and made up of mostly private sector “medical and other experts” selected by the president and the comptroller general. The advisory committee would have only the power “to recommend” what benefits are included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans. It would have no power to decide what treatments anybody will get. Its recommendations on benefits might or might not be adopted. Claim: Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. False: The new Health Choices Commissioner will oversee a variety of choices to be offered through new insurance exchanges. The bill itself specifies the “minimum services to be covered” in a basic plan, including prescription drugs, mental health services, maternity and well-baby care and certain vaccines and preventive services (pages 27-28). We find nothing in the bill that prevents insurance companies from offering benefits that exceed the minimums. In fact, the legislation allows (page 84) any company that offers an approved basic plan to offer also an “enhanced” plan, a “premium” plan and even a “premium plus” plan that could include vision and dental benefits. Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs. Claim: Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. False. There is no mention of any “National ID Healthcard” anywhere in the bill. Page 58 says that government standards for electronic medical transactions "may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card,” to show eligibility for services. Insurance companies typically issue such cards already, but if such a standard were issued the cards would need to be in a standard form readable by computers. The word “may” is used to permit such a standard, but it does not require one. Claim: Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. False. This section aims to simplify electronic payments for health services, the same sort of electronic payments that already are common for such things as utility bills or mortgage payments. The bill calls for the secretary of Health and Human Services to set standards for electronic administrative transactions that would "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." There is no mention of "individual bank accounts" nor of any new government authority over them. Also, the section does not say that electronic payments from consumers is required. And the lies from those on the right, just like the beat, goes on....:tt1:

from USA today: For employers •By 2014, employers who have more than 50 employees must offer health insurance benefits or pay penalties. Companies with 25 or fewer employees who meet certain wage requirements will also be able to get credits toward health insurance purchases. •By 2014, small-businesses owners, the self-employed and those who don't get work-provided coverage can get benefits through Small Business Health Options Programs (SHOPs). These state-run marketplace exchanges will work with carriers to pool insurance options, with the hope that costs will be lower for a larger, more powerful, group. Firms will get a one-stop source to find out about insurance, says Shawn Nowicki, director of public policy at HealthPass, a commercial health insurance exchange. •By 2018, high-end health plans with premiums of more than $10,200 for an individual policy per individual and $27,500 per family — not including vision and dental — would be subjected to a "Cadillac" tax. (The average cost of a family plan in 2009 was $13,375, with employees on average paying $3,515 and employers paying $9,860, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.) The excise tax would be paid by employers that self-insure (most large firms do) and insurance companies, but small-business experts expect these costs to be passed along to smaller firms via premium increases.

Healthcare has been debated for decades and intensely for the past year. It passed by our elected representatives. That is not shoving it down our throats. It is what Pres. Obama ran on and was elected on. The republicans who voted no were voting to NOT allow the american people access to the healthcare that congress has that we taxpayers pay for.

thanks, tdslf1. I saw that article, too. Typical of the republicans to try to deflect from what is going on with the right wing extremists with whom many from their party were standing the other day in DC when racial slurs, spitting, etc.. took place. Some republicans were helping to hold up their banners. They are trying to pooh, pooh, it. No big deal. Well, it is a big deal. And I think the american people think it's a big deal. Of course there are some on this board who are in denial and say that all this violence is just in our heads. Wow!

Thank you. I was at a women's democratic function tonight and in the program booklet was a great quote: "A test of progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much, It is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt The Roosevelts, like the Kennedys had much but spent a lifetime of public service to help those who have too little.

Well, I'm glad to see that since 2004 you came around. I had to laugh when you said the military tends to lean one bit to the right. Ya think? Anyway, I am glad you have some voice in the primaries. In my state, we have closed primaries. Democrats can only vote for democrats and republicans for republicans and independents can't vote in the primaries. I am as optimistic as you for 2012.

The thing about that, LeighaMason, is that there would be no shortage of dumbf**ks in TX to head it up.

Very well said, BJean. Howard Dean said it best when he said the south has been voting republican for 30 years and what have they done for them? They still have the poorest schools, the lowest wages, the highest poverty, etc.. But hey, the republicans are anti-abortion, anti-gay - but try paying your mortgage with that. The republicans have never done one thing for the middle class. But the democrats are terrible at getting their message out. They need to do a better job. I sure do my part. :Banane20:

Did you see the skit where Jon Stewart made fun of Glenn Beck? You can probably find it on youtube. I don't watch beck but I know he uses a chalkboard. But the other day on MSNBC they showed a couple minutes of his show and there he was ranting and writing on the chalkboard that had all these faces pasted on it and he wasn't making any sense. None at all. He sounded like someone who had a mental illness that causes confusion and a detachment from reality. It made the Jon Stewart skit all the funnier. I thought he was exaggerating. He wasn't. Are there people with more than two brain cells out there who actually watch and believe this guy? I mean I just looked at it with utter disbelief. I guess there are more stupid people out there than I thought.

As I've said many times on this forum, the republicans stand with the rich, corporate america and wall street. Here is further proof from Mr. Coppertone himself: Boehner Tells Bankers To Fight Financial Reform: ‘Don’t Let Those Little Punk Staffers Take Advantage Of You’ This week, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT) released the latest version of his financial regulatory reform bill, which aims to correct the deficiencies in the financial system that led to 2008’s economic crisis. The House of Representatives has already passed a comprehensive regulatory reform bill, and now that Dodd has given up on negotiating with recalcitrant Republicans, he is moving on an expedited timeline, with a markup scheduled for Monday. It’s taken the Senate a year and a half after the financial crisis to even get to this point, but House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) told “an enthusiastic crowd of bankers” today that, even if the Senate passes a bill, reconciling it with the House version will take another year. “If the Senate is able to produce a bill, I think it’s just as likely that we’ll be talking about the same issue a year from now as we are right now,” Boehner said at the American Bankers Association government relations summit. Boehner then added that the bankers should be standing up for themselves against “those little punk staffers” trying to write new regulations: “Don’t let those little punk staffers take advantage of you and stand up for yourselves,” Boehner said. “ That's right. And standing with them will be the hypocritical republicans. The democrats, in trying to advance financial reform, are standing with middle america. These reforms would help prevent the financial abuses of wall street when they played russian roullette with our money and created the worst financial disaster since the great depression. But apparently the republicans want to allow wall street to continue with their greedy practices. Now, the teabaggers claim to be against the bank bailouts and the wall street abuses, so let's just see which side they come out on with financial reform. Because, gosh darn, it's not about hating Pres. Obama or racism, it's about the deficit. :Banane20:

I have never seen a sorer loser. After the election, the classy and gracious Pres. Obama reached out to mccain and had a dinner in his honor and like the next day mccain was bashing Pres. Obama and hasn't stopped since. He is so desperate in his re-election bid that he has sarah palin (who dissed him) stumping for him in Arizona. And to think this guy might have been president. And her vp. Whew, we dodged that bullet.

Social Security and Medicare are very popular plans, also the result of democrats. But remember that these plans, too, were demonized by the republicans. History will show that this healthcare plan is good for americans and good for this country.

Ohhh, just wait! More fear. Can't you come up with new lies? Maybe something like this healthcare will pay for breast implants for welfare mothers.