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I've just blocked a lot...your wish will come true in a few minutes - cya....I won't even entertain what you just wrote.

This post turned bad because of BAD people. ...NO worries...I will do EVERYONE who responded in a nasty way a big favor and BLOCK them, that way we don't have to never read each other's post again, and you don't have to worry about MY post annoying you. That way you all can find a new target .. ...

Self righteous? First of all, WE ALL KNOW the lap band has a VERY HIGH long term complication rate, I don't have to post numbers or studies...people can google that. I've seen JUST ABOUT ALL OF MY FRIENDS LOSE THEIR LAP BANDS over the years....and they all did not have the old 4cc bands either MANY had the newer AP band, in fact...MOST of the newer complaints were with the newer bands. Another big lap band site has died due to MOST of the lap banders getting it removed and many are now band bashers because they are ACTING LIKE PEOPLE HERE .LIKE THEY ARE INVINCIBLE AND IT WON'T HAPPEN TO THEM...until it do then they get upset with the world... My post was simply about trying to prevent some of this...by researching seeing what new clinical studies are out there what exactly causes issues... I am a researcher by nature so I like to know what is causing issues with the band and how to prevent it....that is all... I am FAR from arrogant, I only get defensive when I am wrongly attacked... I don't care what some think of me, I am not here to GET A MILLION SILLY "LIKES"....I am here to share what I know and what I've seen, there is NOTHING ARROGANT AND CONDESCENDING ABOUT THAT...

They are ANGRY with themselves..I have not posted ANY thing wrong, I just posted a question and wanted to Poll newbies or anyone if they were following O'Brien's new drinking protocol with the band and what their thoughts were.... If they are following their OWN surgeons rule? What is the big deal? All they had to say in a response was -- NOPE I am using my own surgeons's rule...instead they attack me and put me on the defense AS IF I CREATED THIS DRINKING RULE -- WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THIS ATTACK IS MUCH DEEPER THAN THE DRINKING RULE AND MORE OF A PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH ME... And I cited O'brien the most experienced lap band surgeon out there and I am getting attacked for it...NOW that is funny.

Hazel, If you want to be an "elite" long term bandster you need to start acting like one....first things first...learn about the lap band and all of its competent like the Band, buckle, port locking mechanisms....what causes lap band complications..etc... I've seen your long winded..mindless posts...before I can respect you as a competent knowledgeable long term bandster you have to earn it...

Can you PLEASE TELL me what I've done except to simply ASK ABOUT THE 30/30 eating rule? Regarding posters here...if they want RESPECT from ME, they need to give ME respect. I've done my home work well...again, any thing I post I just post with studies...I just don't post willy nilly stupidness... Again...you are correct this post should never gotten out of hand, I was attacked by bringing up the TRUTH about my old surgeon.... I think many have personal problems and USING ME as a scape goat...hopefully OTHERS ARE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THIS BS... .. I will keep posting and post the truth based on FACTS and cited referenced material..if you or anyone else got a problem with it block me, because as soon as the other website goes up I will be using the block button to custom my time here. This is a pubic forum and if some so called "respected vets" want respect they need to start posting FACTS and quit attacking me.... Also I can see there is some sort of "power" thing around here...I could care less what many say about me, heck I've seen so many lose their bands over the years, no need to have a power grab, because those who use to play those power grabs no longer have lap bands.. .I think we need to listen to ALL new updated info about the band...this is why I posted that new eating rule .. I think you know about this too Missy so I have no clue of why you are play devils's advocate here.... .I am more outspoken and will tell you like it is in your face...I am not a too faced sneaky person and I am a very nice person, just very blunt and honest..... Missy I respect you and your posting as well I don't agree with everything you post, but and you don't have to agree with everything I say....that's life Again I don't why this post went bad ...when it involved a study..NOTHING THAT IS COMING FROM MY MOUTH..SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?

Hazel Dear, I am still confused and your post is not really coherent..LOL... Bless your heart, I know you mean well, I don't know what you are talking about regarding your medical degree..you don't have to have a medical degree to be very knowledgeable about the lap band. I have a degree in computer science and I work as an independent consultant...my own business and develop software applications for private industry...I use to do it for Federal Government but got sick and tired of BS. But anyway...my private profession has nothing to do with JUST REPEATING...O'Brien's study...I really don't know what you are talking about... If you got a problem with HIS study please write to him personally,... My original post was Polling people here if they are NOW following O'Brien's drinking rule since he suggested that the old 30/30 rules are no longer recommended.... And P.S. if you HONESTLY think you got your lap band down pat and it will be honky dory FOR EVER..you are more naive than I thought. Please log into Obesity help NOW ...there is a poster right now 10 years post op, that has developed reflux and heartburn and seeking a revision.... Also I post about what I've seen over the years too and not only cited material...I just use cited material to back up what I have to say in an articulate way... You have NO clue of what your future holds with your band...we all wish everyone does well forever, but that is just not being realistic. Edited to add: You made me remember you made a post RECENTLY about you had NO idea that a lap band port could be removed with the band still intact.....remember that post? Or do you need me to post it here to refresh your memory? Now please don't embarrass yourself with all of your so called lap band knowledge and long history in the medical field in Nursing...PLEASE.

I have been banded over 8 years and many long term lap banders report the same thing, tightness with elevation and temp changes too. I just learned to deal with it and adjust my eating accordingly. I never required an unfill though, if you are extremely tight to the point of not getting liquids down you probably need to see your surgeon.

May I bow down to you Christinia....I've NEVER SEEN SO MANY MEAN AND NASTY LAP BANDERS...whew!! They act as if they are "complication" or problem immune....but if you can see NONE of the nasty one's are greater than 5 years post op...LOL... Heck, my new band is PERFECT...so perfect it scares me...compared to my old band....but I am not stupid enough to believe it may be perfect forever, I sure hope so.... It's always better to be INFORMED with information and KNOW FACTS instead of being blind and dumb...again thank you for seeing the light. We need to be proactive with OUR OWN BAND HEALTH...surgeons get paid the same for fixing a complication or removing the band just as well as installing it. Gee...I was just making it AWARE that Dr. O'Brien suggest the old 50/50 rule of waiting to drink after a meal is out dated... People here should PRAISE ME....lol I am over 8 years post op and I have a lot of valuable info to tell..I don't post stupidity I post what I've seen over the years backed up with studies.... When I got banded over 8 years ago...the down side was there was not enough clinical study about the long term effects of the lap band in the US ...KNOW WE KNOW...LOL.

I always tell newly banded people to NEVER touch those steri strips, let them fall off and avoid letting the shower hit that area for about 6 weeks after surgery. This is why surgeons put those clear steri strips there and they are clear and allow the incisions to breath and they are sterilized. Those incisions need to stay clean and dry and not smothered with a bandaid to add moistness. You do not want to start any type of an infection, I would let that entire area breath and don't put nothing on it, I would wear loose clothing too for at least 6 more weeks until that port area heals. I think the bandaid was a bad idea. That is the worse part of recovery for that port area to heal good. hope you feel better.

And one more thing regarding Dr. Moazzez...I sought help for a few years before finally changing surgeons, Dr. Moazzez's office no longer helped after 5 years post op, his words were, your band has done its job, there is nothing they could do.... I refused to take that as solid advice, I grabbed my personal records and changed surgeons and that changed my banded life. I got rebanded last November I am almost 1 year post with my new band and I am just tickled to death to have GOOD restriction and NO reflux or heartburn and I am losing weight again. That is a great feeling. I can't thank Dr. Ku enough for fixing me....I've learned that your experienced long term greatly depends on the surgeon that you have.

He CLEARLY states that in the earlier days they thought that 'waiting to drink" after 30 minutes to an hour was good, but now they are suggesting NOT to do this because of long term issues like esophageal dilation. Did you read that part as well? My post was not about telling others what to do with their bands, -- it was just REPEATING WHAT DR. O'BRIEN SAID.... people SHOULD follow their surgeons protocols even if they cause long term complications, because their surgeons in the end will have to fix their issues or end up removing their bands.

First of all why are you ARGUING WITH ME? and Using all of these silly words like criticizing and mud slinging? And what do you mean you've reviewed MY ARTICLES? These are Dr. O'Brien's article, NOT MINE. -- I am just repeating what he said. The reason I posted the article is that MANY credible lap band surgeons in the US follow Dr.O'Brien green zone recommendations and his protocol. My post was to simply ask if anyone else still followed the old 30/30 rule and some surgeons's had 60/60 rule of not drinking liquids before 1 hour or 1 hour after eating. I am NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING...Dr O'BRIEN said in his VIDEO that he no longer suggest to wait 30 minutes after eating because they learned over time that it can cause esophageal dilation long term...-- THIS IS NOT OUT OF MY MOUTH, so why are you arguing with me about what Dr. O'Brien and Dr. Simpson recommends? Regarding Dr. Moazzez.....I loved him in the beginning, he actually saved my life when I had a life threatening bowel obstruction that liked to ended my life in 2008, I still wonder if this was not caused by my band, but I will never know. However, when I went to him back in 2009 and I could never get my restriction right WITHOUT reflux I changed surgeons to Dr. Pinnar --- Dr. Pinnar's office SAVED ME...they started to fill my band correctly -- Dr. Pinnar is retiring, so they could not repair a hiatal hernia and fix my band issue. By the way -- MANY complained about not getting restriction with Dr. Moazzez, and they ended up changing to Dr. Pinnar -- who was/is still a very popular lap band surgeon in northern, va. So Dr. Pinnar office, sent me to a specialist and from then I had an EGD, and found that I had a pretty big hiatal hernia, then I sought out a very experienced lap band surgeon to help me, I had to go out of state and someone recommended Dr. James Ku in PA, I went to see Dr. Ku on a Tuesday last year and and I had had a band revision the next week, Dr. Ku was able to fix my hiatal hernia, remove my old band and replace my new band ALL in one surgery and I've had NO PROBLEMS SINCE, compared to my first band placement. Dr. Ku did not blow smoke up my nose, and try to KEEP his complication rate (spotless like Dr. Moazzez tries to do) he actually HELPED Me in a critical time of need...---Dr. Moazzez did NOT OR COULD NOT. My situation was complex-ed and I needed a VERY SKILLED SURGEON TO FIX ME. My new surgeon Dr. Ku told me that my first BAND, my hiatal hernia was NOT REPAIRED DURING BAND SURGERY....I have nothing against Dr. Moazzez afterall, I referred MANY LAP BANDERS TO HIM OVER 8 YEARS AGO -- AND most of my friends have revised to other procedures. Would I recommend him today? After 8 years -- NO. I am not bad mouthing I am being HONEST AND TRUTHFUL...I don't recommend people to BAD surgeons -- if your band is doing great after a few years -- GREAT, but keep in mine you are NOT long term yet, you are not 5 years post op, I wish you well and hope you have great lap band health long term. No surgeon can just install a lap band on me and if I have a problem years later be kicked to the curb - in order for me to say good things about a surgeon long term they have to keep their long good standing with me, through good times and complications. By the way, if you go to Obesity help.com right now and click on the lap band forum, I have a post about me referring someone to Dr. Ku from who SAVED THEIR BAND because NO OTHER surgeon in the northern VA area was skilled enough or cared enough to help them. Dr Ku was able to repair their hiatal hernia without removing their bands, the ONLY reason my old band was removed was because I had the old 4cc band and they don't unbuckle without destroying the lap band system, otherwise I could have kept my old band too. Here is the private email that the person is thanking me for referring them to Dr Ku. Date Sent: September 28, 2013 - 7:13pm From: Blown_away Subject: You gave me awesome advice Dear NanaB, I don't know if you recall writing to me last Febuarry. I had developed a hietal hernia that was underminiing the effectiveness of my Lap Band. My band was done by Robert Pinnar and his PA, Paul, was doing my fills. But Dr. Pinnar retired and the doctor that Paul joined refused to repair my hernia. Instead he wanted to revise me to a VSG despite lack of long term evidence about the safety and effect of the procedure. He simply felt that the hernia repair would fail. You pushed me strongly to consider seeing Dr. Ku at Lancaster General Hospital. I thought you might like to know that I am at home now recovering from the Hietal hernia repair that Dr. Ku performed on me Wednesday afternoon. You were absolutely right. He is great: he did the repair ( the hole was the size of a tea saucer - his word "huge"), he unbuckled my band to get he surgery done, actually had to remove the sutures creating the overlap, re buckled my original band, and re sutured the flesh. He said the repair and the old Lap Band look great and he feels I will do well. In the end, Paul looked into Dr. Ku as well and recommended that I go to him for my procedure. The hole was so big, I am quite sore, but I am feeling better everyday. And already back to losing weight. i just wanted you to know that your advice was welcome and valuable and I am SO glad you wrote to me. God Bless!

If you can't eat solids for lunch, you are already too tight and probably need about .1cc removed, the last thing you need is more saline. Ideally you should be able to eat 1-2 oz of solid Protein by lunch time chewed well, WITHOUT throwing it up. Being in the red zone for long term, can and will cause complications.

When did I say NOT follow this? If you really listen to my post, I think we'd be on the same page. My ENTIRE POST WAS ABOUT eating, waiting a minute and then taking a drink of something, which IS THE SAME THING AS DRINKING WHILE EATING. You are busy trying to mix up what I was saying until you are confusing me as well. I am the one that posted the original study? Remember? Also O'Brien indicates in his video';s that he NO LONGER recommends to wait 30 minutes to an hour after eating to drink liquids since he has seen this can cause esophageal dilation in many lap band patients...This is what my POST IS ABOUT DRINKING AND NOT WAITING 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR AFTER EATING...REMEMBER? Because in many patients the food tend to stick and stay in the esophagus and sometimes can create a new stomach ..aka esophageal dilation...long term Good grief.

Right after fill adjustments these are the things to look for: 1. Dry consistent cough not associated with a cold. 2. Refux spitting up in your sleep 3. Obviously not able to get any solids down without throwing up. 4. Throat irritation 5. Constant burping up dry air

If you listen to O'Brien's video he does suggest drinking while eating ...SO does Dr Simpson who follows Dr O'Brien... Please take the time and listen to his video when he talks about this... http://www.lapbandau...lden-rules.html Please please research BEFORE you post.

LOL...that was funny ...I guess it appears that I am criticizing because I am backing up everything I say with facts...and studies directly from O'brien. Trust me, I followed the no drinking rule for a long time with my first band, I followed my first surgeons protocol, until I learned better, and learned the hard way that some US surgeons, don't have the experience....and my old surgeon is very popular here and a part of the center of excellence....

Sorry to hear this happened to you, I don't know if I'd want my band taken out through my mouth though! Sounds horrible. I'd get a second opinion from another surgeon. I am glad I did when I developed a hiatal hernia in my 7th year and I got my old band removed and new band replaced at the same time. My orginial surgeon was not skilled enough to help me, so SOME surgeons are not skilled as others, I've leared the hard way. I've also heard and knew of a few banded people to get rebanded again after an erosion, but it takes time after about 1 year for your body to heal and patients stay away from things that can irritate the stomach such as NSAIDS and other stomach irritants. But some people are more prone to infection in the body such as diabetics and they may have more problems with the band. Wishing you much better health.

In reality we SHOULD follow our own doctors advice, in fact O'Brien said to do this too, until they learned that it causes esophageal dilation long term. We all were taught this in the beginning until we learned the long term consequences. I know MANY friends from Obesity help over 8 years ago with dilated esophagus this is not a myth, hence the band has a very high long term complication rate. The longer the food sits in the esophagus, it can create a second stomach inside the esophagus -- I guess a real pouch, which patients complain long term about vomiting and losing the sensation of satiety and the band has to be removed....I guess some surgeons don't care they can then revise you to the Bypass..LOL

I am not saying to DISREGARD what your surgeon says, but you SHOULD always question your surgeon. Believe it or not THERE ARE MANY BAD LAP BAND SURGEONS IN THE US, could yours be one of them, I don't know, but you should be aware of your body....long term many US surgeons shy away from their patients WITH problems so be careful in believing that every word your surgeon says is gospel. Remember -- THIS IS NOT FROM ME, this is from the most respected lap band surgeon in the world -- that ALL US surgeons respect and follow. I am just the messenger -- don't shoot the messenger ..LOL YANNO THE GREEN ZONE EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT? -- THIS INFORMATION IS COMING FROM HIM O'Brien-- NOT ME-- I don't write lap band literature - its not my profession.

He does say this in depth when you listen to his videos --- that he no longer recommend waiting to eat, because of the long term complications it can cause. http://www.lapbandaustralia.com.au/eight-golden-rules.html

Debbie, Not to argue with you, but I just like to STATE FACTS here: This is from the O'Brien literature THE LAP BAND DOES NOT HAVE A POUCH SEE PICTURE ATTACHED AND LINK https://www.google.c...surgery;660;447 If you read the writing in red in the below picture The lap band is placed over the cardia of the stomach within 1cm of the oesophago-gastric junction. In the picture below IT STATES there is "NO POUCH" of the stomach above, just a small cuff of the proximal cardia.

I was told by this by my first surgeon's office too, I've had my band long enough to question some of these US surgeons, they did not have clinical experience when I got my band over 8 years ago....NOW we KNOW the long term effects of doing things wrong --- which long term MOST US surgeons patient either develop esophageal dilation or pouch dilation, two different complications. Thank god I do my own research outside of my surgeons office, it's good that you are doing well, and hopefully will continue to do well long term and KEEP good tight restriction long term.

Debbie, FOR YOUR INFORMATION -- I had a hiatal hernia was the reason I got rebanded, NOT because of esophageal dilation, in fact if your esophagus gets dilated YOU CAN NO LONGER GET A LAP BAND AT ALL. The lap band "Pouch" is just made by the Band placed around the UPPER stomach, it is NOT technically a pouch like a Gastric Bypass pouch. O'Brien mentions this in his article, don't preach to me, preach to OBrien, he has seen the consequences long term of waiting to eat and not washing the food from the esophagus that can dilate it long term. So I guess, O'Brien is stupid and we should not FOLLOW GREEN ZONE protocols right? Because that's what you are saying....