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And of course on the flip side, we need to outlaw mastrabation by men, and any birth control at all, right?

Yes, it's very clear to you. It's every bit as clear to other people that it begins at other times.

Bingo. And that's where the very real disagreement comes from. At what point does a human life begin. We don't all agree on that point, and won't. For me, it's when one can live without having to depend on being within another's body for life. In the case of a slave, clearly their life had begun.

Interesting point about the business model. I was thinking along those lines as well. The example I came up with for myself was a customer wanting the right to order non-kosher food from a Kosher deli. What they want is not what the business offers. It's not about who the customer is, it wouldn't matter if they were black or white or gay or straight. It's different then turning down a customer who wants to order something off your menu because of who they are.

Of course that's what they would say. And no time-traveler is going to change their minds any more then any of us here are going to change each other's minds.

I thought it was an interesting question being asked. I would do similar. I'd also ask what the slave owner saw as differences between the African Americans and other humans of other races. Talk about any they came up with.

I was self-pay, and the thought of ruining a $17,000 procedure for some food just didn't make sense to me. Of course, I played up the risk to myself, told myself that one bite would cause a slip. Sometimes I need scare tactics!

Actually, to my mind the question is less "when" then "if". I think, and I could be wrong, that one reason cases like this get so much press is that they are rare. For me, the line will be once my doctors agree that there is no brain function, and machines are keeping me alive. I'm not sure that was the case for this man, since his wife was feeding him with a spoon, and he reports awareness of events. I also read in a link that he tried to communicate at times.

Very nicely said, and fair enough. I agree, we all do have different views, usually strongly held and no, we aren't going to change each other's minds. I do find that I learn alot from posters like yourself about why you believe as you do, because you are calm in stating what your stance. That's cool.

We have a Select-Comfort bed(the sleep number one) and LOVE it. We've had it about 4 years now, and I sleep so much better on it then any other I've tried. I like that I can adjust it when I want a little softer or firmer bed, even at my highest weight. It's been really good for my back. I wake up with no pain, when I stay at someone's house or at a hotel I often have back pain. I was surprised in fact when I did my pre-surgery sleep study and the clinic had the Select Comfort beds.

I beg to disagree. I am indeed pro-choice, but in no way am I pro-abortion. They are very different things.

I find it amazing what happens in a coma. Some people do report being aware, and in his case it sounds like a "light" coma if he could be fed from a spoon. And I agree, it is a testament to their love. I do think we need to be careful though to judge all situations by this one. Sometimes love is letting go of someone.

I find that an interesting way to phrase it. We don't know how willing anyone's family is when they follow a directive. They may not agree at all, but feel that they must honor someone's choice. Personally, I don't want to be in such a state either. I'd rather go on to what I believe is next.

I had my gallbladder out 4 years before my banding and it wasn't an issue. For that matter, DH just had his out last week, almost 3 years after his banding and that wasn't an issue either. I'm not sure about kidney stones either, but I do know I drink a lot of Water throughout the day.

Both me and DH did. I think I was home and in bed about 5 hours after we left the house. I really liked that, my own bed and TV and cats. You do need someone with you for a while, I think they said at least 24 hours.

Interesting link Mark. There are of course some issues I have with it, as I think you did. One being that often, if the mother dies, the child will too. So it's not quite the "either/or" presented. Even in the liferaft situation, "Susie" dying to allow her son the food and water doesn't mean he will live.

That is a great way to put it, IMHO!

How have gays contributed to the disintegration of the family? How have they contributed to the health care crisis? And are you aware of the many straight people who have AIDS?

Two questions, 1) what harm specifically does a "gay lifestyle" cause to society? 2)who has said anything about anyone disappearing?

I have been taking Celexa for about 2 years now, and it wasn't an issue at all.

I would get a small unfill, I was always told we needed to be able to keep liquids down. Until then, you might try something warm/hot to sip, tea maybe. Really cold liquids seem to make me feel tighter.

Sending this to hubby now!

LOL-I still get "Luke, I am your father" jokes from mine, 9 months into my CPAP use. Be carefull what you wish for :-)

Oh, I'm glad you are feeling better!!