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So on liquids today and starting to work on the five pounds RIGHT NOW...........no more last minute stressing out cause I am not down enough. 20 more pounds and I am at a healthy BMI!! I can't wait!!

Afternoon all.......... I want to Vacaville this morning and got a fill!!! Yea!! Turns out Dr. Baggs was counting 209 as my last weigh in since that was my last fill. My weight in the ER doesn't count. So I was down 10 pounds and got a fill. I have to be down another 5 to get another fill in January . I only got 1cc but I don't want to go any faster than that cause I get to tight if we go to fast....... Dr. Baggs did say NO BREAD. I told him I could eat bread and he "but why are doing that your not suppose to eat any bread." I thought it was ok if it was wheat and went down. He said NO. I showed him the protien shots and he said they won't likely pass Robins approval. He said 60 grams of protien was not needed. He said that was to much that I am probably ok at 40-50grams. So I got all my labs done today. He said he wants to see what my protien, iron, B12 and a bunch other stuff is to see how I am doing without eating meat. So anyway it went well and I am back home and headed out to Arco Arena now to hang out with my good friend Donna............Can't wait!! So glad I didn't cancel. Has anyone notice the people as Kaiser Vacaville are not to friendly?? Or was it just me??

My port gets sore too......especially at Disneyland the seatbelts all hit right on the port!! LOL. I was a bit sore. My port rubs on my jeans and when I use my laptop it always sits right on my port......... Ok well we will see how it goes tomorrow. THe first time I am not excited to head over there. I have the food logs for Dr. Baggs but I won't be getting a fill. I still think I need to keep the appointment just to tell him how I feel and what was said.......I want to know what he wants to get a fill. THat is the only information I am concerned with at this point. I also want to let him know I might lose my insurance and to see what I can do i I do. I wonder if he knows where I can get fills in Sacramento......... Ah Candra I think instead of going to Mexico we should invest in some needs and we could practice on each other!!! LOL :-P Ah the doors that would open........probably not good doors!!

Hey all I agree no drama.......LOL. Things always work out in the end. But it doesn't surprize me this kind of stress brings out issues and messes with relationships. I am keeping my appointment tomorrow with Dr. Baggs. I tried to change it or the end of December but they are totally booked. IF I don't go now it will be 4-6 weeks. So I don't know what will happen but I am going. From that I was told there is an assumption that I have been to tight the last few months and I have been eating sliders and that is why my band is to tight and I have not lose fast enough for Kaiser. NOT TRUE!! But I was told not asked. I only ate sliders for a few days and than I called for an unfill!! I don't wait around when I need an unfill I go get one. That is what hurts me. Cause when I was to tight I was losing and fast. I wasn't eating sliders cause they didn't stay down. So anyway I am gonna talk to Dr. Baggs and let him him know I prefer to deal with him and check in with him at this point. Candra keep your appointment. It will take to long to reschedule. And let me know how it goes with you skipping the dieitition appointment. I plan to do the same thing although with Vacaville it is not such an issue. You might get a fill you never know. I am also going up and down the same three pounds. LOL. Typical for me. A big loss than it holds steady for awhile. Never consistent losses.....

Drinking the diet cranberry/water the pomegranite one......very good!! Riley if I see Dr. Baggs this week I will clarify the fills with him again. I have a WOF weekend with Donna and I sorta want to forget Kaiser this time around. I can't want to hang out with ya Donna!! My appointment with Dr. Baggs is the same time the program starts...............:-) I would rather just sleep in and have a fun weekend!! Ok so I need to lose 19 pounds to get under 29 BMI. Why is the last 19 so darn hard?? LOL. If I could just get to 180 than I would be in the safe zone and could decide if I want to lose more or if I am fine. I told Dr. Baggs I might just be fine where I am at and he said they like to see people get to 29BMI or below before they stop giving fills or stop the weight lose efforts..............so I need to get at least another 19 down!! I think I would be a 12 easy at that point. If I think in terms of five at a time.............LOL!! B: granola 1/2 230cal L: veggie hot dogs (2) 260X2=520 D: Granola 1/2 230cal Rasberries (2 cups) ???? 100-200??

I think there have been alot of unfills at Kaiser lately......maybe that is why. The ER told me I was not the only one to come in for an unfill................ Yep they are withholding fills for sure. I am not gonna ask permission or send a food log. I will bring one with me to see Dr. Baggs and when I lose a bit I will call him back. That is what I am willing to do nothing else at this point. I am sorta burned out on everything with Kaiser right now. Dr. Baggs said he will give me fills later just to give him a call when I have lost some weight and to complete the food logs. So I don't think I am going back in for awhile. I figure I will go back after the holiday. They are pretty booked up right now. I told him I would probably try to set something up in January sometime I am debating NOT going on friday. I don't see the point. I really don't wanna drive over there for five minutes. THe only thing would be to check in and get weighed which would not hurt. I also want to get some labs run and ask Dr. Baggs about another barium swallow just to be sure.....I tried to call Kelly today to cancel or at least see if she thinks I need to keep the appointment but haven't gotten a call back yet. I guess I should schedule a January appointment or else Dr. Baggs will get booked up again.......might be my last appointment with them so I have to make sure I get booked. Riley Dr. Baggs said that he could not see me anymore of give me fills if I lose my insurance. Also the older nurse in the office......cant remember her name said the same thing. That is so confusing. Robin didn't know either last time I asked her but she didn't think you could get fills. I wish I just knew 100%. I called patient services and they didn't know but said theythought I could not keep appointment with no card to bill it too!! SO I really don't know......

I hope Obama passes a new law cause I have two people in my house if I had to deal with COBRA and if I can only afford one of us it is gonna be my daughter first........... I wonder if medi-cal is an option if I am laid off?? I would technically be poor right?? Any luck on jobs Tamra??

Jes is it TOM so you might tighten up. I always do......... I can eat bread now are you jealous!! LOL. It is curse not a blessing believe me!! LOL. I don't eat much but I do have sandwiches now (egg salad) which I couldn't touch awhile back. Garlic bread sounds good right now though.........really good .......glad I don't have any in the house!! It has been ages. Ah that is the problem I can eat anything and have to resist cause I know I can..........now if I didn't know.....LOL!! Tamra: Oh it might be a blessing to be in the first round of layoffs than. HOw much is COBRA without the discount??

Jes I don't know about being converted at Kaiser. Other places do it here in Sacramento. But I think your band has to slip or you have to have esophagul dialation or your body has to reject the band. Or you have problems with not being able to tolerate fills and don't lose weight. I don't think Kaiser does it and I won't have insurance through them probably long term. Just been on the band to sleeve forum and it scares me cause some of the stuff sounds familiar to me. They also said the doctors and nutritionist blamed it on them not trying. But you know they are biased over there and are pro sleeve so you have to consider the source. If I get another fill later and tighten up again I am serious done with the band. Not that I can take it out but I will be permenently done with fills by my choice. I am not ready to give up yet though. I want to give it another try first.

Ah Tamra I hear you, I hear you..........I could be dealing with COBRA soon. I hope that nine months thing applies after December though. I could be in trouble if my layoff doesn't go into effect until January. I hear you on giving up on Kaiser I am tempted to forget it too. But get the surgery first that is the most expensive part. There has to be a way to work out fills later. But the surgery I saw hold out for that and than figure out the rest!! I Might need to call Kaiser about COBRA too. Good to know they helped you out!!

I don't know Candra but this it the first time I have had to deal with this having to "earn" a fill..........I think it is crazy cause there is an assumption that I am not following the rules but I don't feel that the middle man took the time to find out what was going on there was just an assumption...............if I assume things at my job it changes the overall picture. No noe asked me questions they just told me their assessment........so that is my irratation. Ask questions, get the facts and don't assume.........cause assumptions are wrong. At this point I am not faxing any food logs until I feel like I have put things on the table first. I will bring logs with me to see Dr. Baggs but I am gonna tell him why I don't want a middle man........... Dr. Baggs has emailed me a couple of time. He didn't say no but I think his hands are tied.........

OH Heather I wonder about the fills if you lose Kaiser too!! I hear more layoffs before Christmas and more in February so I would like the answer to that.............I hear so many different stories I would like the straight out facts..............everyone says something different even at Kaiser.......

I Was told BANDED people should be eating less than 1200 a day.............signficantly less!! But Dr. Baggs said if you go lower than 1200 it messes with the metabolism.............I tend to listen to Dr. Baggs more than anyone else since he has my medical records.....

Heather that is SO SO SO great!! I think he is gonna let you have an earlier surgery!! How you lost in your stomach?? I didn't know about the adominal presurre but that makes sense...... Ok you said they said you fail your band not your band fails you. Ah that is interesting cause that is how I feel when I get this attitude about not losing fast enough. Not true but well put......... Candra if your not worthy neither am I but darn it I am gonna argue it a bit before I give in..........all in all I still want to lose and I still need to exercise and eat well fill or not. Just I want to be full with the 1/4 cup and not have to think and worry about what I eat all the time. The good foods are a habit.......but the amount. If your hungry darn it 1/4 won't cut it unless your band is working for ya. I was told we should all be eating significantly less than 1200 a day. Even less than 1000 a day......but Dr. Baggs told me 1200...........so not everyone agrees on the amount. But under 1200 doesn't work for me. Over doesn't either though!! LOL. I get upset when eating 1200 is not following the rules.....cause those are rules I don't think work for me. Sigh.......................tired, tired, tired. Riley does cranberry juice give you stomach cramps?? Ahh I drank to much.............

I hear ya Candra and Jes.........here,here to those of use in bandster hell!! I agree to I want to be honest but sometimes it feels like if you are there are consequences I might not agree with. I don't disagree with the message I just disagree with the delivery and that is what I have always said it takes time to develop people skills and to learn how to present the truth in a way people can hear and so they want to work with you. THat is is my issue the presentation not he message. Makes people resiste opening up ..........I still believe that a team approach should be used NOT a dictatorship approach. Message is right on.......... Just for me makes me NOT want to say when I need an unfill cause one they take to much and to it feels like it becomes just another problem and obstacle for me to deal with. I am to the point where if I needed an unfill I would NOT ask for it .........I don't like feeling like it is my problem I need an unfill and that is how it came across. Like if I lost more weight I would not have had problems. But here is the thing..............ask me what is going on, ask questions, go beyond the obvious..........instead of telling me what I am doing wrong.............that is where I get kinda pissy is in the approach!! That is when I do my research to consider the source and to check for background and creditionals. Jess tell me how it goes. I would love to know how it goes and if you get a fill. ALso how much and if Dr. FIshcher and Robin are on the same page ect. UPdates.

Dr. Baggs got my message but no response yet. I am guessing that means he is gonna check with Robin but we will see how it goes............I bet I have to reschedule but who knows. I at least fought for a fill even if I am overruled. I just don't understand how we had to lose weight without a fill to get a fill.........and so on. If that is the case are we using the band as a tool for weight loss or as a reward for willpower?? Just saying........ I bet I get a phone call tomorrow!! :-) I agree with the head hunger stuff and exercise. Totally agree Riley. I think it is good thing just scary too to realize there is still a chance of messing up if a person doesn't stay on top on things......that is what scares me now!! THe long term committment which I am not great at. Gaining three pounds in a month is scary too for me. I don't like it a bit. I am losing and gaining the same three pounds. I really think the exercise is gonna catch up with me here soon. Right Riley!!! LOL Pam-Sorry about the hamster that has happened her a few times. THey don't seem to last long.

ah and if I eat carbs even the complex carbs I don't lose...........

My position is I am exericising daily and have been for two weeks. Even did over 30 miles last week......... I am eating protiens (not meat) but still protiens and making healthy choices. Feeling good about that. I am not eating hardly any carbs and hardly any sugars (does skinny vanilla latte count?) I am also drinking my Water But what is going wrong is I am to hungry to stay at 1/4-1/2 per meal. I am making good choices but eating to much. When I do eat 1/4 cup I am hungry, really hungry in less than two hours with the rumbling tummy........so I am sure I am hungry..........and if I follow they rules for lunch and Breakfast I am starved by dinner and eat to much. I only have 2.5 and even with a small fill it won't give me restriction but it would get me closer and would give me a mental boast. And I told him I am feeling like the band is waste at this point since I can eat anything and feel like I am fighting this whole willpower thing again to stay at the 1/4 cup and I am frustrated...........seriously have thought about forgetting fills if I have to play games and jump through crazy hoops to get a fill!! So how does that sound............... That said I am drinking cranberry juice (diet) with water........ah even watered down it is great I am hooked. All protiens and salad today. Exercise done-3 miles. TOM-yep. Maybe that is why I am going up and down so much when I have have done so well with exercise the last two weeks............it should be falling off me :-) Still hoping to be down a bit this week... Just waiting to see if I get a fill or not. I told Dr. Baggs if I can't get a fill it I would rather know so I don't drive all the way over there and take the time off work. THan I can also call Kelly to set something up for next month now instead of later when he is filled up.......... So well see.......Candra talk to Robin I think it helps I am going to. I just want special consideration from Robin cause I don't like one size fits all. And I am not lying about what I eat I just lose slower..........I don't like feeling like I have to justify myself...........and beg for a fill!!

I emailed Dr Baggs and told him I understand that reason for the weight loss before a fill but also told him I was gonna argue it and gave him 6 reasons why I needed a fill and let him know what I have done and what I have been eating. I really think I made a good case for myself...........I basically left the decision with him but told him a fill is not gonna even do much at this point except get my closer to my sweet spot. I know that I will still have to use willpower since even a 1cc fill won't do much for me. But mentally.........ah mentally it would give me a boast to get a fill this week!! I didn't tell him what Robin said but I will. I am annoyed by the whole thing and I won't keep quiet. LOL. Not my style. I didn't call Robin back today. I just wanted to think things through and talk to Dr. Baggs first. I need to figure out how to approach the whole thing. I like Robin most of the time too. However the condesending thing the last time we talked pissed me off. I think I need to level with her cause what I perceived she said and what she meant might not be the same thing..........b But yea I told Dr. Baggs (with a smile) beside it.....was that I was prepared to argue for a fill. I know how attorney and judges think so I present my case!! LOL. He will probably think I am crazy............I am just waiting to hear back from him. HEather got me geared up to present my case since she has the guts to approach Dr. Fischer!! LOL. Thanks Heather!! You know me if I get irratated I have to put in on the table or I explode and really piss someone off later........

Monica if things rub me wrong I will say something.........I will be diplomatic but I am pretty sure I will be saying something at some point here soon. I don't want a babysitter and if I feel like things are crazy I will put it out on the table.......... I am not one to let my feelings fester so I am guessing come tomorrow I will let someone know how I am feeling.... I have told Dr. Baggs several times about the inexperience issue and how that bugs me.......he didn't say much but said he understood. He was also diplomatic.

I am feeling unbanded, have some days when I think I should have done RNY cause I get tired of having a band but not being able to use it..................I am in bandster hell which is fine short term. Not looking forward to playing the fill game for the next few months to get to a decent fill.................I really think Dr. BAggs will work something out. I am still at the same weight as three weeks ago. I go up and down but nothing permenent. I get to hungry to stick to the 1/4 cup. Now the protiens and exercise I am doing good..........just to much of good foods will still keep you at a plateau. Ok on to more pleasant thoughts!!

Heather I agree with you emailing Dr. Fischer!! I will be anxious to see what he says. I would have done the same thing........... Pam you got a new bra I can totally tell!! LOL. Makes you look so much thinner. Candra. The bodysuit!! Ok that is why I don't recognize you and your hair is shorter!! LOL. NIcollie and Liz looking good. Donna you all dressed up and looking cute!! Who am I missing?? I miss Nicole gotta try to get ahold of her this week. Donna I will give you a call tomorrow!!

I agree you all look great. Don't recognize everyone though!! So is there a meeting in December?? You said next one is in January?? Ok that makes me sad if that is true........ The firm that I was talking about is a book. I like the firm videos too and they do have them in DVD now. But the book is on weight training and aerobics and it such a good book.........gotta read Covert Bailey again cause my metabolism could use a good boast!! I have done good today but the last week was hard on vacation and away from home. I ate ok and walked alot but still hard to tell what you put in your mouth and how many calories when your eating out and at people's houses. My restriction is not great so I am having to go at it willpower wise. And when I am doing willpower the calories make a huge difference. When I have restriction I don't count just eat protiens cause only a little bit is needed to feel full. I just quit worrying a about how much and how many calories. I like being at that point!! :-) Drinking cranberry juice and cleaning the house............doing laundry!!

Riley I got the diet cranberry gonna try that this week. So what is the ratio you use?? And what am I trying to do clean out the kidneys !!! :-)

I would love to be in 12's too!!! I am still a 14/16. Not close to a 12 yet........ I agree about the weights. I used to be really, really into weight lifting in college and I think it does something to the metabolism. Of course Riley you exercise alot and also eat well which helps!! Anyone heard of Joyce Vedral? She does alot of weight lifiting DVD's. Great stuff I have most of them and all the weights up to 15 pounds. I just need to pull out the DVDs and get moving. I used to love weight lifting and running back in the day!!! I went from a 32 BMI to a 23 in 6 weeks one summer with aerobics and weight lifting 5 times a week!! It does work and it works FAST!! Also anyone read Covert Bailey Stuff. He is great and has alot to say about exercise and metabolism!! I think he even has a chapter on weight lifting and women. The other great book is called "The Firm" and it is weight lifting and exercise book for women that says aerobics alone is not as affective as exercise AND weights!! Ah see I know my stuff and do the research but I still have this darn lazy bone in my body that makes me all words and no action......... Darn it Riley you have me on a roll now and I am gonna have to pull out my weight lifting stuff again!!! :-P