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Hate and lies sell and he's living the good life off of it. Another big right wing hypocrite. And BTW - you can get close enough to his mansion to see it? No gated community and armed guards?

Exactly. And as the American people see how this healthcare reform is actually going to play out, they will see how the right wing has lied about it. So, while America is celebrating this historic program, the angry republicans can be hunkering down, spewing forth their hate with calls of fire Pelosi, impeach Obama, repeal healthcare. I welcome them to run on this hate filled, angry, repeal healthcare, party of no platform. I will even help them get this message out. I already have my letter to the editor in mind.

That's not what you claimed I said.

Didn't limbaugh say he was moving to Costa Rica if healthcare passed? What's keeping him? Let's start an online campaign to wish him good-bye. And good riddance.

First of all, I am not your dear. Secondly, when someone or some group is racist, I call it like I see it. When a group holds up signs with the N word, calls black representatives racial slurs and spits on them, then I accurately call them racists. And BTW, I knew it wasn't your last word on the subject.

Oh, it's obvious now, huh? I already explained this but since you seem to need a remedial course here it is again. The anti-abortion democrats in the house had what they thought was stronger language against federal funding for abortions than what the Senate had. This was called the Stupak amendment. There was NO federal funding for abortion in the bill, but being the zealots that they are, they wanted added assurances. The Senate bill that the house voted on had language to make sure there was no federal tax dollars in the insurance exchange used for abortion coverage. But this language didn't satisfy the anti-abortion democrats in the house. Stupak and his 7 followers were holding out their vote until Pres. Obama signed the executive order. It satisfied him and the others. But - now here is the important part - NONE OF THAT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE BILL THAT ALLOWED FEDERAL FUNDS TO BE USED FOR ABORTION. I believe it was done just to provide political cover for those anti-abortion democrats when they run in November. They wanted to be able to say to their constituents that they did this, because the anti-abortionists are so unreasonable as to expect this. The Hyde Amendment is the law of the land and nothing in this bill changes this. Now, when you try to make your case AGAINST this healthcare you don't seem to have any trouble finding what's in it - so once more I say: SHOW ME THE PRO-ABORTION LANGUAGE IN THIS BILL OR STOP SAYING IT CONTAINS IT. PERIOD. And here is my question to you: If the American people were not allowed to read this bill (sinisterly hidden - ooohhh) then how is it that you, and the right wing political pundits you quote, know so much about what is in it? And what it will and won't do and cost?

This is why we need a public option to keep the costs down and offer REAL competition to the greedy private insurance companies. And if in the end, most people and employers would choose the less expensive government program and the greedy, private health insurance industry would go out of business then I would just have one thing to say: Yeah!

I certainly don't hate white people but I am embarrassed by white racists who are well represented in this tea party movement. And somehow I doubt it's the last said from you on this subject. If only that were true.

Quote exactly the serious pro-abortion parts of this bill. Give me that page number and the exact language. Either do that or shut up about this bill being pro-abortion. I will not allow you to lie anymore. Put up or shut up.

Written by a guy from the American Action Forum, a right wing conservative group. Another group that stands with corporate america and wall street and against middle america and main street.

The postings by you extremists on the right (those who stand for and advocate for the insurance industry) are all over the place with your criticisms. It shows a real panic and desperation. Because the lies are getting more exaggerated. First it's about the cost of healthcare, then it's about government take over or about a ride on Air Force One, etc.. Zero credibility. Just zero. Nothing you say is true, yet alone making any sense.

Exactly. This underscores what I have been saying about the teabaggers all along. They are a white, racist, middle class group that hates Pres. Obama. They didn't vote for him and are angry that he won. Yeah, the old white man is no longer in the White House. A person of color is. And the fact that he is a democrat and a progressive/liberal just makes it worse for them. And they hate, hate, hate that. So, they try to use "legitimate" outlets for this hate: the deficit, spending, healthcare, government programs. :confused: As if none of these things existed before Pres. Obama was elected. The basis of their movement is their hatred of Pres. Obama. From the birthers to the deathers, to those who throw money at a man with Parkinson's, hold up a sign with the N word, hurl racial and anti-gay slurs at our elected representatives and who spit on them. This is the tea party. It is not just a few extremists. They are all extremist. They try to say they aren't republicans. But they are. They have many of their offices in GOP headquarters. And the republicans embrace them, too.

It WAS a scheduled flight to Ohio, Rep. Kuchinich's home state, where Pres. Obama spoke about healthcare reform. It was a scheduled town hall meeting.

All presidents use Air Force One. It is budgeted for. That is not money that otherwise would be used for something else. And if the president takes senators aboard a flight he is already taking, it doesn't add to the cost. How many people could the insurance companies insure (that they kicked off) with the money they used to lobby against healthcare reform?

Social Security a sham? Every month millions of people get their checks on time. Every month, every one of them. Now, by contrast, how's that 401(k) and retirement plan working out for you the last couple of years? Mine tanked like everyone else's. Government plan: 1 Private Plan: 0

The government is bankrupt? Well, by contrast, I guess that means that private industry is doing just fine. Oh wait, they aren't. GM, Chrysler, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Bear Stearns, Countrywide, etc.. Didn't they go bankrupt playing russian roulette with our money? Hmmm. How can that be if the government is the problem? It wasn't our government that got us into the economic disaster that we faced in the fall 2008, it was corporate america. Eleven scariest words in the English language: I am a wall street bank and I want your money.

Everything has a cost. But it would cost MORE to do nothing about healthcare, which is 1/6 of our economy. We all benefit from people who have insurance because that makes us collectively a healthier nation. Less time missed from work. Good for the employer. More demand for healthcare will increase jobs in the healthcare industry. More jobs means more people are paying taxes, which helps reduce the deficit. It all has a domino effect and it will be good.

There are tax breaks for small business owners and more choice for them in choosing healthcare plans. And why would a doctor accept new patients that he/she couldn't care for? And what sweeping changes will affect a thriving practice and what are these higher overhead costs? And business owners don't determine the premiums of healthcare, the greedy insurance companies do. It there had been a public option, they wouldn't be able to raise premiums. Hmmm.

There are many mandates in life. Mortgage insurance before you buy a house, car insurance before you can drive, immunizations before you can enter school. It's part of living in a civilized society. This idea of "freedoms" being taken away is just baloney. Hooey!! And who said this was an independent country? We are a country of laws and rules and regulations. And that's as it should be.

For those for whom healthcare is unaffordable, there will be subsidies.

Fantastic! You are doing a great job. Glad to hear little baby girl is plumpin right up.

Huh?:confused: Who is asking for abortions to be paid for with tax dollars? The Hyde Amendment is still the law of the land and has been for over 30 years and it doesn't allow any tax dollars to be used for abortions. The Stupak amendment that was passed with the original house bill and the language in the Senate bill that was just passed was very clear that nothing in this bill would allow for tax money to be paid for with tax dollars or tax subsidies. The reason for the executive order by Pres. Obama (used often by bush, by the way) was to satisfy Stupak and his followers who felt the Senate version that they were voting on was not as restrictive with regard to abortion as he would have liked. The executive order was just added insurance. But all of this language was really unnecessary since the Hyde Amendment prevails. And I might add that all the pro-choice people in the house voted for this bill with the more restrictive abortion language in it. So your post makes no sense.

It's you guys who don't get it. All of us on here have proven you wrong over and over again but you refuse to allow facts to interfere with your opinions. You just keep repeating the lies, distortions, myths and untruths over and over again.:confused: