Intermittent Fasting

[Apple1 2,572]

Ok here are a few sources just quickly

Sources:
[1] Matti Uusitupa, MD, “Lifestyles Matter in the Prevention of Type 2 Diabetes,” Diabetes Care, American Diabetes Association, September 25, 2002, http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/9/1650.
[2] Kris Gunnars, BSc, “10 Evidence-Based Health Benefits of Intermittent Fasting,” Authority Nutrition, nd, https://authoritynutrition.com/10-health-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting/.
[3] Matti Uusitupa, MD.
[4] Dr. Jason Fung, MD, “How Fasting Reverses Type 2 Diabetes,” Diet Doctor, December 8, 2016, https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-reverses-diabetes.
[5] Dr. Jason Fung, MD.
[6] Diabetes in Control, “Intermittent Fasting and Its Beneficial Effects on the Body,” January 30, 2016, http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/intermittent-fasting-and-its-beneficial-effects-on-the-body/.
[7] Dr. Jason Fung, MD.
[8] Kris Gunnars, BSc.
[9] Dr. Jason Fung, MD.
[10] James Gallagher, “Fasting Diet ‘Regenerates Diabetic Pancreas,’” BBC, 24 February 2017, http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39070183.

[Waler 330]

you are spending so much time trying to be right that you are totally ignoring common sense here. First off there is no such thing as reversing diabetes that is a total myth. My main point all along is you have had a procedure done that causes most of the people to have key nutritional defiance's just do to the absorbance factors alone. What sort of logic would make you think that depriving your body of these key nutrients like Calcium for example, which will already be low is a good idea. just take one moment and ask yourself. If your body is already not absorbing all the nutrients it needs, which leads to health problem, what part of fasting and making less of a supply in a system that already has an abortion issue makes sense.

Edited October 30, 2017 by Waler

[Apple1 2,572]

9 minutes ago, Waler said:

you are spending so much time trying to be right that you are totally ignoring common sense here. First off there is no such thing as reversing diabetes that is a total myth. My main point all along is you have had a procedure done that causes most of the people to have key nutritional defiance's just do to the absorbance factors alone. What sort of logic would make you think that depriving your body of these key nutrients like Calcium for example, which will already be low is a good idea. just take one moment and ask yourself. If your body is already not absorbing all the nutrients it needs, which leads to health problem, what part of fasting and making less of a supply in a system that already has an abortion issue makes sense.

Are you kidding me? Everything I eat or at least 90% of it, is because of the health benefits it will give to my body. I have done my research on diet and I will do my research on intermittent fasting. I will share what a I have learned so others can benefit. Anyone reading this thread can then decide for themselves if this is something they might want to incorporate into their healthy lifestyle.

You still haven’t proven your points with any data to back up why this type of eating is harmful. I have been very respectful to you even though you have been rude and downright mean in your responses. I am not going to respond to your posts anymore because it is a waste of my time.

[Newme17 3,444]

1 hour ago, Waler said:

you are spending so much time trying to be right that you are totally ignoring common sense here

You are speaking of yourself here. Just do us all a favor and post your scientific sources and we’ll make the decisions based on our own research for what’s good for OUR own bodies.

Or I’d rather you just leave this thread....thanks in advance for doing so.

Edited October 30, 2017 by Newme17

[Berry78 4,259]

My interpretation of Waler's concern is the same as my own (earlier). We hear "fasting", and we think "not eating". If you aren't eating, you won't get your nutrients.

But, Apple explained that it was still eating the same amount, just concentrated within a specific timeframe.

I can't have a problem with that, since meeting daily goals is my mantra. 8 hours is enough time for peeps to get 4 good meals in, which will work for those 6+ months postop.

Any reduced consumption days need to wait until 18+ months postop.

[Newme17 3,444]

Fasting and carbs....for most people, yes, they hear fasting and think you’re not eating. Sure there are those types of fasts as well. Same thing with carbs, people think they’re all bad, but fail to realize how good complex ones are for us. So, it’s really all about being ignorant (not a put down) of the facts or just not informed. Once informed, then you can have the realization and hopefully openness that will change your way of thinking for the better. But if you’re not open kind of person, you’ll be staunch in your ways.

[Apple1 2,572]

17 minutes ago, Berry78 said:

But, Apple explained that it was still eating the same amount, just concentrated within a specific timeframe.

I can't have a problem with that, since meeting daily goals is my mantra. 8 hours is enough time for peeps to get 4 good meals in, which will work for those 6+ months postop.

Yes, as I explained this is the plan. Waler still disagrees and that is fine we all have our own opinions, but science backs up IF and more research is happening on this subject as well as the gut micro flora.

I find both subjects very interesting.

[Newme17 3,444]

33 minutes ago, Berry78 said:

8 hours is enough time for peeps to get 4 good meals in, which will work for those 6+ months postop.

Without realizing it and this is probably true for many of us with WLS, I just counted the hours since I last ate and broke my fast. Last ate right before 7:30 yesterday and then I didn’t eat until about 10:30 this morning. That’s 15 hours of fasting. This way most everyday is intermittent fasting unintentionally for me. Doc tells me to not eat unless hungry anyway....

oh and doing this without WLS, it’s hard in the beginning. I just about died the first few days fasting 16:8. But like anything else, you get used to it. I’ve had great success, but my mind wasn’t where it needed to be to stay focused on my health long term then.

Edited October 30, 2017 by Newme17

[Apple1 2,572]

11 minutes ago, Newme17 said:

Without realizing it and this is probably true for many of us with WLS, I just counted the hours since I last ate and broke my fast. Last ate right before 7:30 yesterday and then I didn’t eat until about 10:30 this morning. That’s 15 hours of fasting. This way most everyday is intermittent fasting unintentionally for me

I posted about this a couple pages back. I said how most of us are doing this without even really realizing it, and it somehow becomes dangerous when we decide to do it on purpose??

No that doesn’t make any sense to me

[Rainbow_Warrior 996]

7 hours ago, Waler said:

to have key nutritional defiance's just do to the absorbance factors alone

Did you mean "nutritional deficiencies" perhaps?

[Rainbow_Warrior 996]

7 hours ago, Waler said:

a system that already has an abortion issue

Did you, perchance, mean to say, "absorption issue"?

[Apple1 2,572]

Ok, so I have been eating on a schedule for the last 3 days. I eat from 12:00pm -8:00pm and fast for the other 16 hours. This has been super easy and my fasting BS have dropped 10 points down to 78-82 from 92-98 prior to starting.

I haven't noticed anything different that would make me want to stop. I drink my coffee and my diet green tea or Water and just eat normally once 12:00 comes around. I definitely think the tendency to snack after dinner is not from hunger, but more from habit because I have thought to grab something while watching tv and then said no your not doing that anymore. When I really thought about it I wasn't hungry at all.

[Queen Sherri 51]

I realized I have unintentionally been "fasting" daily. I'm generally eating between 1400 - 2200.

I'm a night bird so I go to bed late and get up late. I like to exercise right after I get up (otherwise it doesn't happen!) and don't like to eat before I do so. That makes my first meal sometime after 2 PM. I'm not much of a morning eater (hey, it's morning SOMEWHERE, right?), I usually have a Protein Shake. I then drink Protein Water diluted by half with water until we have dinner about 7 or 8 PM. That's when I have my solid foods.

I'm losing weight, my labs look good, and I don't have too much loose skin. I really appreciate all the research and discussion posted in this thread.

Surgery - RNY GBP
Surgery Date - 5/16/2017
HW - 368
SW - 352
GW - 150

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[Rainbow_Warrior 996]

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Edited November 5, 2017 by Rainbow_Warrior

[Rainbow_Warrior 996]

I just today, Monday 6th November @ 6am, received news of the latest T.E.D. TALK ... and it has great connection to the last two weeks discussion in this thread.

THE SURPRISINGLY CHARMING SCIENCE OF YOUR GUT from May 2017 by Dr Guila Enders is well worth your attention.

The spell/blurb says: Ever wonder how we poop? Learn about the gut -- the system where digestion (and a whole lot more) happens -- as doctor and author Giulia Enders takes us inside the complex, fascinating science behind it, including its connection to mental health. It turns out, looking closer at something we might shy away from can leave us feeling more fearless and appreciative of ourselves.

There's a lively ongoing commentary/discussion too.

She calls the gut: "Our Most Under-rated Organ".

The 14-minute video can be found here:

http://bit.ly/2y3rx9D