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Why? What happened?

This is the kind of absurd post that give WLS a bad rap.

How come you posted a pic of your daughter ?

perhaps you need to think about new types of food, that are different than what you have eaten all your life. Think of food as an exciting adventure in taste, texture, spice, hot, etc..,. Not just sweet and savory.

The other morning for Breakfast I had a Tomato sliced up in a bowl,large sea salt crystals for crunch, a can of sardines ( in water). on top with a bit of balsamic vinegar and some capers. 200 calories.

way, way outside of my typical breakfast, but very good and now I want it again. Sure it's easy to eat a bowl of Cereal, but how ordinary ( and fattening).

There are so many great things to cook / prepare that are not carb loaded crap. Experience new stuff. It's not really that expensive, because now the portions are smal

600 is a good number for a couple of months. Crush off as much weight as you can in the first couple of months. You have a whole (now extended) lifetime to eat reasonable meals.

Isn't the real question: how much have you been eating per day? Water, no water. Who cares. It's calories that matter. You can stop drinking and see if it makes you feel full, but really at this point it's just you choosing how much you want to consume.

there are a million excuses, and I have used many in life as we'll. But at some point in life you have to take control of you life, or all is eventually lost. WLS is a great tool to help people make change.

4 minutes ago, Mahtab said:

It has been 43 days since my surgery (Dec. 16, 2019) and I have only lost 22 lbs. Had the three week stall and since then I have only lost 2 lbs. It is driving me nuts. Keeping my calories around 600-700 and started working out twice a week. No change in clothes fitting either. My start weight was 96 kg and I am now at 86 kg. first week was when I lost the most weight. I hope it starts to move soon, been reading all these forums and I haven't seen anyone in my situation.

1/2 lb per day is great. Don't know what your goal is, but in another 43 days you will be @ 76kg. Seems pretty good to me.

Great job! I saw that you were struggling in the early days, but you fought through it. Great!

I also regret my delay. Should have done it a few years ago. Crazy improvement

54 minutes ago, summerset said:

No, it's like going to an AA meeting, seeking support and feeling completely out of place because a lot of people there are struggling with abstinence, yet the possibility that controlled drinking could actually be an alternative is denied with the strongest passion while everyone there is shouting at each other "TRY HARDER!!!!!1" without getting anywhere long term in the end.

While I usually disagree with much of what you push, I am a proponent of the controlled drinking alternative to alcohol addiction. But where we disagree is that for WLS, controlled drinking runs parallel.

With controlled drinking, one can potentially survive the addiction, but while doing so be vividly aware that they are still drinking (and becoming intoxicated).

With WLS there is a bunch of bizarre and completely wrong "advise" out there that when, what and how much someone eats (or doesn't eat) does not somehow correlate directly to weight. The controlled drink argument under that same scenario would be" I control my drinking, but I don't become intoxicated".

the AMA should fund a study to determine the correlation between short and long post WLS surgery failure with people reading bad advise on Bariatric forums.

It's like going to an AA meeting and confusing those people who are actually struggling with addiction that sometimes slip up, with individuals who sit there drunk and say "hi, my name is Ed and I no longer drink, but I'm still drunk".

3 minutes ago, summerset said:

There are also some very loud-mouthed and self-righteous n00bs on here who think they have it all figured out a few weeks or months post-op.

True. And I'm not going to sugar coat the fact that it's unreasonable to deal out the usual standard advice fueled by anticarb-hysteria before having gathered any information at all.

Since two of the mantras of BP are "follow your plan" and "listen to your team/nut" this is kind of understandable.

Your misplaced "it ain't what you eat diatribe" does far more harm than good. I understand the concept that some people just want to be comforted, but that isn't always the case. There are people on here that want real answers based on real science, not placating with voodoo.

It will be virtually impossible to help this individual, If they think at its ok to drink copious amounts of sugar loaded energy drinks intended to keep athletes operating at peak performance.

best to move on to people who are serious about losing weight

And whatever you do, stay away from the poutine.

It really doesn't matter if you have stretched your sleeve or not. The size of your sleeve doesn't make you gain or lose weight. What and how much you eat is the only thing you have to think about.

just eat the same amount you did a year ago. It's that simple. Honestly the "Stretched Sleeve" idea is just an excuse for reverting to old bad eating habits. Which of course many people do.

you can do this, you've proven it. Don't fail now because of some technicality.

Stop eating so much. The small pouch is a short term tool to learn new habits.

Up your Protein to 75-90 and find a new nutritionist.

Sometimes life is hard, and you have to push through things, even if it is a struggle. You will be much better off in the end if you maintain good nutrition during the next several months.

The reason you are virtually required to drink protien shakes is because your new digestive system is still in the healing stage and not yet fully functioning. There is no way you are absorbing much protien from a piece of chicken at this stage. You might as we be eating cardboard from a nutritional sense.

The Protien shakes/supplements are not a "treat" they are a virtual necessity to get your body into a digestive rhythm.

Best of luck moving forward and hopefully your nutritionist can help you out. I will end with your original quote on one of these threads where I think you were questioning if your doctor may have actually done your surgery wrong. This kind of strangeness, coupled with the protien shake issue is just too strange for normal discourse.

Best of luck.

This one is too strange. Just drink some protien shakes and move on. The idea that you can eat grilled chicken, Peanut Butter and tuna salad, but not a protien shake is above my pay grade. Good luck with your journey.

3 minutes ago, pssk said:

I don’t measure myself weekly so I’m not sure if they changed. I do it once a month so I can’t be sure.

I’m closing in on goal so I know the losing will slow down. I’m just bewildered by this infamous 3 month stall that so many experience regardless of their starting BMI.

I was losing so nicely I didn’t think I would hit a stall but I think I might be in one...hasn’t been two week yet so we shall see.

I just don’t like the 2 lb yo yo right now.

My opinion, it's just you (and your new body) trying to reach equilibrium with a maintenance diet that stabilizes your weight. I assume you are eating more calories and a more diversified food mix than you we at say week 4?

4 hours ago, MissPennyP said:

I eat the Protein foods first

ie. The chicken, the tuna, the eggs the Peanut Butter spoonful , the cheese etc

I'm going to go out on a limb here. I don't think you should be eating grilled chicken, Peanut Butter, tuna and egg salad with mayo added, etc.. 20 days after surgery. you really need to consume 2 or 3 protien shakes per day to print your system into balance.

Seriously, you should ask your surgeon(s) about drug treatment. I remember my group telling me there are cases where even after WLS, they prescribe drugs to eliminate cravings.

you are obviously addicted to the sugar/carb - opioid effect and will probably require drug intervention to fix it.

Or not and just blow up again, and your life will be exactally as you started.

luck!

Here is a good calculator:. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/in-depth/calorie-calculator/itt-20402304

i have calculated my requirement and then cut that in half to give me my basic daily need. For me that's about 900 er day.

There is a lot of data out there, which basically flows your own, showing that it is virtually impossible (but not entirely impossible) to lose a ton of weight and keep it off, without surgery.

For reason yet known, the metabolic reset of your weight set point and also the reduction of comorbidities only seem to occur after WLS, not with conventional dieting.

Add to that the new science that "pre surgery" weight loss diets are potentially unhealthy and at the least serve no purpose.

my opinion is you e done a great job with this stage of the process, and you should just fight it out and be proud of your progress. Not many people bring their BMI down that significantly on their own.