moondoggie1983

I was a type 2 on Victoza, glipizide and metformin. I stopped the Victoza on day 2 of the pre-op diet because I was bottoming out. The day before surgery I stopped the metformin and glipizide.
My highest a1c was 8.1. A few months before surgery I was at 6.2
I had the sleeve on 5/10/18. The first couple days were great minus the 24 hours of gas pain right after surgery. On day 6, things went downhill quickly. I’m not able to keep a lot of liquids or any Protein down right now. I’m not telling you this to freak you out or anything because my situation seems pretty rare. I’ll be seeing my doctor on Monday to see what’s up with this. The reason I’m telling you this is because I have had ZERO carbs for 4 days now, and I’ve been fine.
On my pre-op diet I was getting between 80 and 120 carbs a day. It’s not that you can NEVER have carbs, it’s that you can’t have ridiculous amounts of them anymore. Instead of eating carbs first thing at your meals, you have to get the protein FIRST.
The final sleeve diet isn’t ridiculous. It’s a restriction surgery so you’re only going to be able to eat 1/4-1/2 cup portions to start with (when you finally get out of the liquid stage). The rest is common sense. Don’t eat crap food like cake, pastries, white sugars, bread and Pasta. Do eat your protein. Do eat your veggies. Don’t eat fried food or stuff cooked in fats and butters. Eat healthy basically. Does that mean you can never have a piece of cake for your bday? Of course not. But you don’t get to do it often.
It’s here that I’m going to tell you that there are two distinct camps of people. Group A believes in everything in moderation. Group B is the never have any bad foods again. I’m camp A. To me, there are no “bad” foods, but only foods that have nutritional value and those that don’t. I know that every diet I failed was because it was a “you can never have THIS again EVER!” diet. It’s fine for a bit, then you give into cravings and binge out. BUT, I notice a lot of the group B people are those who have RNY or DS surgeries rather than sleeve. I believe they’re much stricter because they get dumping syndrome so easily.
I’ve rambled on for long enough here I think. [emoji23] But if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
Don’t let your friends failure deter you from something that can prolong and maybe save your life. And remember to research your different options for surgeries. Find the one that’s the best fit for you.
Good luck! Message me if you want to ask anything


HW: 311
SW: 255 VSG 5/10/18
CW: 238.6
First goal weight: 209
Second goal weight: 191 lbs
Third goal weight: 159 lbs
Final Goal weight: 142 lbs

5’6” 34 yo female in NC

From Concord. Surgery date is May 10. Nice to meet all you guys!

This is a thread about Keto, not about @FluffyChix This post was not directed at you, but at Keto in general.

None of them. I did the Optifast program before surgery and they were all decent. Now I use the Isopure Cookies and cream which gets me 50g of Protein in each 2 scoop serving and tastes like a milkshake.

Maybe see if you can try a different shake?

I don't understand this.
It's incredibly easy to add carbohydrates.
She wants you to get some carbs have an Isopure and some applesauce after. This makes no sense to me. And isopure is very common postop, hell that's what my hospital gives you while you're there

Thank you for the advice! I really appreciate it! I’ve always had a very sensitive sleeve and it’s good to know someone else has some of the same issues. I’m going to try some meatballs next week.

I agree with the posts about not losing the weight and GERD. My doctor and I decided on the sleeve as I’ve never had GERD. A little over 2 months post surgery and I still don’t experience it.
I do hear a lot about the bypass being better for diabetes, but I stopped all my diabetes medications two days after starting my pre-op diet, and I’m already down to normal levels for A1c and haven’t restarted any of the meds.
Personally, the sleeve was my number one choice because it’s less invasive and had fewer complications like dumping. I am losing at a slower rate than the bypass people who had their surgeries around the same time, but I’m still down 43 pounds in 66 days and 99 pounds since I started the WLS journey.
I was initially wary because the sleeve is a newer procedure. Turns out the first record I found of it was in 1988. Sure, it’s been perfected and changed over the years, but it’s always been one of the steps of DS. So it’s actually been around quite a while.
I found a great surgeon who is very well known for WLS and the rest is history.
Also, I don’t believe the majority of sleeve patients end up revising, but since you see the posts of the people who do, it seems like a bigger majority than it is. After all, no one really makes posts about nothing changing 😂

I agree with the posts about not losing the weight and GERD. My doctor and I decided on the sleeve as I’ve never had GERD. A little over 2 months post surgery and I still don’t experience it.
I do hear a lot about the bypass being better for diabetes, but I stopped all my diabetes medications two days after starting my pre-op diet, and I’m already down to normal levels for A1c and haven’t restarted any of the meds.
Personally, the sleeve was my number one choice because it’s less invasive and had fewer complications like dumping. I am losing at a slower rate than the bypass people who had their surgeries around the same time, but I’m still down 43 pounds in 66 days and 99 pounds since I started the WLS journey.
I was initially wary because the sleeve is a newer procedure. Turns out the first record I found of it was in 1988. Sure, it’s been perfected and changed over the years, but it’s always been one of the steps of DS. So it’s actually been around quite a while.
I found a great surgeon who is very well known for WLS and the rest is history.
Also, I don’t believe the majority of sleeve patients end up revising, but since you see the posts of the people who do, it seems like a bigger majority than it is. After all, no one really makes posts about nothing changing 😂

I agree with the posts about not losing the weight and GERD. My doctor and I decided on the sleeve as I’ve never had GERD. A little over 2 months post surgery and I still don’t experience it.
I do hear a lot about the bypass being better for diabetes, but I stopped all my diabetes medications two days after starting my pre-op diet, and I’m already down to normal levels for A1c and haven’t restarted any of the meds.
Personally, the sleeve was my number one choice because it’s less invasive and had fewer complications like dumping. I am losing at a slower rate than the bypass people who had their surgeries around the same time, but I’m still down 43 pounds in 66 days and 99 pounds since I started the WLS journey.
I was initially wary because the sleeve is a newer procedure. Turns out the first record I found of it was in 1988. Sure, it’s been perfected and changed over the years, but it’s always been one of the steps of DS. So it’s actually been around quite a while.
I found a great surgeon who is very well known for WLS and the rest is history.
Also, I don’t believe the majority of sleeve patients end up revising, but since you see the posts of the people who do, it seems like a bigger majority than it is. After all, no one really makes posts about nothing changing 😂

I agree with the posts about not losing the weight and GERD. My doctor and I decided on the sleeve as I’ve never had GERD. A little over 2 months post surgery and I still don’t experience it.
I do hear a lot about the bypass being better for diabetes, but I stopped all my diabetes medications two days after starting my pre-op diet, and I’m already down to normal levels for A1c and haven’t restarted any of the meds.
Personally, the sleeve was my number one choice because it’s less invasive and had fewer complications like dumping. I am losing at a slower rate than the bypass people who had their surgeries around the same time, but I’m still down 43 pounds in 66 days and 99 pounds since I started the WLS journey.
I was initially wary because the sleeve is a newer procedure. Turns out the first record I found of it was in 1988. Sure, it’s been perfected and changed over the years, but it’s always been one of the steps of DS. So it’s actually been around quite a while.
I found a great surgeon who is very well known for WLS and the rest is history.
Also, I don’t believe the majority of sleeve patients end up revising, but since you see the posts of the people who do, it seems like a bigger majority than it is. After all, no one really makes posts about nothing changing 😂

Meh... Moe's is better, they actually have ground beef and, zero food poisoning issues. LOL

Actually SNAP (food stamps) cannot be used on prepared food. So fast food restaurants cannot accept SNAP.
What you see is signs on fast food restaurants "EBT Accepted". EBT is Electronic Benefit Transfer. That's the new version of a welfare check. So a person on government assistance is issued a debit card, and loaded on to it is either or both, "food stamps" (SNAP) and "welfare" (EBT). The "welfare" benefit can be used without restriction, pulled out of an ATM as cash for example. But the SNAP benefit is restricted as to what it can be used on, non prepared foods only.

I don't have kids, so I can't comment on that part
I can say though that my family does not have a big food culture. Of course we have holidays and what not, but no big groaning table of food on a regular basis. Food was never treated as a a reward or a comfort. My food education went wrong in a different way. The most important attributes of food when growing up was tasty and easy/quick. No emphasis at all on healthfulness.
This part though:
"She taught me to cook for everyone, bring treats to neighbors, feed people at work, list everything in the pantry to house guests, make their favorites, cook exquisite resplendent meals.....because feeding people means....you love them/appreciate them/want their respect/want to comfort them and put them at ease."
I don't agree that is a problem, or something that should or even can be changed. This is the culture literally all over the world. We welcome people, we make them feel loved/wanted/appreciated by inviting them in to our home and feeding them. It has been that way since the beginning of time, hence the term "breaking bread" with someone.
Even in business, we don't build relationship across a conference table. We invite people out and we eat a drink. Walls come down when we do this. It's human nature.
I don't think the hospitality aspect of food is the problem. Those occasions, like holidays are rare enough that they should be able to be worked into a healthy diet. It's the chronic poor choices that are the issue IMO

Unfortunately, I agree with the majority of the posts. Did you have to do any psych exams pre surgery? If not, you should start. Honestly, I would call your surgeon and tell them all of this. If you watch videos of WLS you’ll see how important it is to shrink a normal sized liver, and you stated you have a very fatty liver. It’s better to be honest and have it rescheduled to when you’re ready than have them go in and close up because they couldn’t do it.
I also think you might be looking for a reason to cancel. Whether intentional or not. What you described is not cheating, its binging. You don’t eat a half a pizza and then are legitimately hungry for donuts 2 hours later. That’s all in your head.
I had my VSG May 10 and I’m still only able to have some soft foods. How are you going to handle a possible month or more not being to eat anything you listed in your post? You can hurt yourself if you do.
It’s sad to say, but a whole bunch of people are unsuccessful after WLS. Now, I’m not a part of the “never have this ever again!” group, but there is the basic fact that there are foods with nutritional value, and those without. Will I have a burger later on? Maybe. Right now, red meat makes me sick and I’ve accepted that I might not ever be able to eat it again. Will I ever have a donut? Maybe I’ll have a small piece of my dad gets one, but not a whole one. If my family orders a pizza, I’ll probably have some cheese since it has Protein. Or if I want one, I’ll make one with cauliflower crust.
Just be aware, you can’t eat like this. You get full. And you do get jealous seeing people around you eating things you can’t have.
The good news is that if your insurance approved you, they’ll do it again. But if I were you, I’d start seeing a psychiatrist who specializes in WLS patients NOW. Personally I saw one 5 times before surgery even though I only had to go 3 times. And that’s on top of seeing my regular psychiatrist every 45 days.
Call you doctor, tell them about your binging, ask for a referral to a psychiatrist and start again. That’s the best advice I can give you.
Sorry if this sounds mean, but it’s just what I’d do if I were in your situation. You don’t want to do something life changing (you’ll never get your old stomach back, even if you do stretch it) and at this rate, you’ve already set yourself up for failure in the future (IMO).

I don’t think saying this person may benefit from WLS is a bad thing. Many celebs are getting it or have gotten it anyway. Did I mind if people called me names? Absolutely! Did I mind when people brought this surgery to my attention, especially since it meant I would live longer? No. Saying someone may benefit from it isn’t a bad or slanderous thing.
And attacking Frust8 for asking a question (innocently) is not nice. If you don’t want to participate in a thread, there are literally THOUSANDS of others. Frustr8 is my oldest friend on here and I can tell you right now with 100% surety she would NEVER be malicious to anyone.

I don’t think saying this person may benefit from WLS is a bad thing. Many celebs are getting it or have gotten it anyway. Did I mind if people called me names? Absolutely! Did I mind when people brought this surgery to my attention, especially since it meant I would live longer? No. Saying someone may benefit from it isn’t a bad or slanderous thing.
And attacking Frust8 for asking a question (innocently) is not nice. If you don’t want to participate in a thread, there are literally THOUSANDS of others. Frustr8 is my oldest friend on here and I can tell you right now with 100% surety she would NEVER be malicious to anyone.

I don’t think saying this person may benefit from WLS is a bad thing. Many celebs are getting it or have gotten it anyway. Did I mind if people called me names? Absolutely! Did I mind when people brought this surgery to my attention, especially since it meant I would live longer? No. Saying someone may benefit from it isn’t a bad or slanderous thing.
And attacking Frust8 for asking a question (innocently) is not nice. If you don’t want to participate in a thread, there are literally THOUSANDS of others. Frustr8 is my oldest friend on here and I can tell you right now with 100% surety she would NEVER be malicious to anyone.

I don’t think saying this person may benefit from WLS is a bad thing. Many celebs are getting it or have gotten it anyway. Did I mind if people called me names? Absolutely! Did I mind when people brought this surgery to my attention, especially since it meant I would live longer? No. Saying someone may benefit from it isn’t a bad or slanderous thing.
And attacking Frust8 for asking a question (innocently) is not nice. If you don’t want to participate in a thread, there are literally THOUSANDS of others. Frustr8 is my oldest friend on here and I can tell you right now with 100% surety she would NEVER be malicious to anyone.

Yipes the Bariatric Not so Secret Police are after me. Well you are 85% correct and 15% in error, at least in my case, and let me explain why. Yes, Rainbow Warrior you are correct with the speculation and comments point. Anyone who has read my more-in-depth postings Knows I suffered much brising , wounding and scarring in my own life. This is try but I also survived. the 47 thousand assorted diets, everything from the Eat Grapefruit and it will,eat up your fat cells to the Push yourself away,from the table and go sit in the corner, starving diet. Up until 3 years ago. when I started. seeking Bariatric surgery,i felt I was fated to die obese, in abundant persive pain from every joint in my body, and largely(there's that word again) unloved. True I might not accepted an intervention from the. average Jack,or Jill on the street, but if a Bariatric Victor had to come to me and said" I have something to tell you about my own life" I would have listened, no I would have grabbed onto their words as a lifeline to hope, for at that point if the Dark Death Angel had come for me at that point I would have gone with him. I was that emotionally down in truth the only thing that kept me from suicide,was the feeling,i wouldn't succeed at that either.
So if you feel my starting of this thread,was misguided, I repent of it. Stop responding to it and it will die in obscurity like many other Bariatric postings. What I will not recant is standing up for myself, for the vast majority of my 72 years I did not. I tried to be a Low Drama Mama and it gained me the honor of being a wet soggy doormat for my family and much of the world. In many respects it may be a little too late to do
the right thing now but I am standing up today and at the time of my surgery. I resolve to be thinner, healthier, happier and no one will shunt me to a dark dank corner again.

I love love love the Peanut Butter cliff bars!

I checked with my team, and at 4 weeks out they said straws are ok. 🤷‍♀️ I’m trying it for the first time today, and it’s going ok. I was also really nauseous today, so I’ve been allowed some watered down diet ginger ale. It’s crazy how different each program can be.

Hi there!
I had a 49 BMI, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, osteoarthritis and pcos along with some mental health issues. I have always been curvy, but in the last 15 years (I’m 34) I got very very heavy. My surgeon was totally ok with me having the sleeve and not the bypass. I also didn’t want my intestines changed around like that. Since I didn’t have any gerd, he didn’t see any reason for me to be forced to have the bypass.
So, not only did I have your comorbities, I had more and I got the ok. Unless there are medical issues that require you to have bypass, do which surgery you would like and are comfortable with. If your doctor doesn’t like it, find a new one.
Also, I’ve been off all my diabetes meds and blood pressure meds since the day of surgery. My a1c is in normal range and my blood pressure is consistently lower than normal. Like 100/65. My knees and back don’t hurt anymore.

Hi sleevers!

Long story short, my practice lost their NUT. I’ll be seeking out a new one next month, but there was A LOT of information I was NOT given, so I’m asking for some serious help.

I was using the Baritastic app, but I’ve seen everyone on the boards talking about how My Fitness Pal is so much better because it tracks so much more. So, I just bit the bullet and purchased the premium version.

all I can say is HOLEY MOLEY!!! So many questions and information! And I have NO IDEA what I’m doing.

I realize that every plan is different, but the only information I was given by my previous NUT was to track Fluid, calories and Protein. But I see the majority of you are tracking all kinds of things. Micros, macros, carbs and so much more.

In lieu of my NUT being gone, can you guys help me out with what you’re tracking and what your daily goals are? Like I said, I realize everyone is different, but I really need some idea about what to track and what my goals should be. Like, what is your max carb intake? Micros? Macros? I’m so lost at the moment. Any help you can provide would be so very appreciated.

I’ll let you know my stats as well:
Female, 34 years old.
5’6”
HW: 311
SW: 256 (5/10/18 VSG)
CW: 222
GW: 145
I’ve lost 49 inches since surgery, but I still have trouble keeping solids down. I’m basically sticking to the soft foods and liquids for right now. I get very few calories and protein at the moment, but I’m hitting 64oz or more of fluid each day.

And I just want to take this moment to say thank you so very much to all of you for your constant advice and support. I don’t know what I’d do with you guys. Even the tough love I sometimes get is invaluable.

I’m popping back to soft foods and liquids for the next 2 weeks because when I eat meat, I vomit it right back up. I’m not opposed to becoming a vegetarian, and at this point it seems very appealing.
I’m going to try black Beans and cottage cheese again tomorrow. Wish me luck! :)
Do you mind if I ask when your surgery was and how successful you have been? I don’t mean to pry and you definitely don’t have to answer if you’d prefer not to. I’m getting the Water in now no problem but the Protein is killing me and I’m basically failing there. Tomorrow I’m going to look for some smoothie recipes. I have the Unjury powder (it says unflavored but I can definitely taste and smell it so I’ll probably be heading to GNC tomorrow to pick up a flavored one.)
I hadn’t really thought about the added sugars surprisingly. I think that will be very difficult since it seems like there’s some form of added sugar in everything these days.
I’ve bought some benefiber single serving packets but I’ve been using stool softeners at the moment because thing have been really backed up. Sorry for the TMI. And my Celebrate chewies don’t stay down so I’m taking the flintstones Vitamins for the moment. I know that’s not good, but my surgeon told me that’s better than nothing and I could stay on them for the first two months.
Do you track you micros and macros? Or are you mainly concerned with the protein, carbs, Fluid and fat?
And you can bet I’m going to keep trying to get in touch with the temp NUT. If I have to, I’ll march myself right down to the office in the hopes that she’ll be there!

Oh! Here are some stats:
I’m female, 34 years old.
HW: 311
SW: 256 (5/10/18 VSG)
CW: 222
Height: 5’6”
Inches lost since surgery: 49
Weight lost since I started my WL journey 01/10/17: 89 lbs
Any other questions that could help you answer my questions, please just ask.