BigUtahMan

Wow- Surprised someone with 8000 posts who is a "bariatric legend" would be so forthcoming with personal attacking and questioning one's integrity? Is that ok if they don't match your own philosophy or personal plan?
For your information, many therapists use intuitive eating for all types of eating disorders including compulsive eating and food addictions. While it may be easy for you to make ignorant claims of "unethical," it only represents your own limited knowledge about the subject than actual truth. (Are you a therapist? Have you read the book?) I don't mind people countering with facts, but personal insults and actual mistruths don't benefit anyone.
Are you claiming she didn't lose the weight? Are you claiming, she isn't enjoying a new relationship with food and that others can't enjoy it either? Why is this approach to food such a threat to you or your psyche? I appreciate we all fear failure and returning to our unhealthy selves that needed surgery to become healthy, but I hope we can support each other in their processes rather than insult and make even more difficult to accomplish our collective goals in our individual journeys.
I don't know you, and I assume you are a great person, but I hope we can all share our experiences, successes, and failures without being personally attacked for sharing.

Lots of theories, but my team wants me to work out 4-5 times a week, 20 min high intensity cardio and 20-30 light lifting.
The idea is to increase metabolism. I think the biggest keys are to do what you want while maintaining balance. Becoming addicted to the workout isn't really healthy or sustainable for most.

After 2 months of strict adherence to the plan along with a rigorous workout schedule 6 days a week. (Self -imposed) I learned from my trainer/NUT that I am working-out too hard and not eating enough! Who knew??
This news has brought mixed emotions... Not upset as my body composition has improved, and I have gotten much stronger and fit, but I have taken myself out of the weight loss cycle in the process. It is also unsettling that in my zest for success, I have frustrated the process instead of improved it.
At the DR office, I also had my BMR measured, (2400 Calories resting). Then add 1,000 more a day for my daily exercise regiment (tracked by heart monitor) and another 500-1000 for normal daily activity over the other waking hours of my day, and I am about a typical BMR of 3500- 4500 calories a day!
I averaged about 1500 - 1800 calories a day of food 120 Protein, >75 carbs, etc... My NUT said the ideal caloric intake is to be within 500 calories of your BMR to loose the most weight. So rather than eat 4000 calories a day, I need to burn less calories and eat nearly the same.
I trust their advice is good as it is coming from the Dr office, and I am excited to find out. My only recommendation is if you are doing everything perfectly for over a month and still stalling, you might want to check in with the DR or NUT to make sure you are still in the appropriate balance with the plan according to your specific body, BMR, etc...
My new exercise plan I only do 20 min cardio, and lift weights only 3 days a week (not 6). What is weird, instead of being happy I can do less, I am more fearful. But I decided to commit to the professional's advice and not my wisdom and then see what happens.
I am excited to see the scale move again for about 10-20 lbs in a row. Wish me luck!

Wow- Surprised someone with 8000 posts who is a "bariatric legend" would be so forthcoming with personal attacking and questioning one's integrity? Is that ok if they don't match your own philosophy or personal plan?
For your information, many therapists use intuitive eating for all types of eating disorders including compulsive eating and food addictions. While it may be easy for you to make ignorant claims of "unethical," it only represents your own limited knowledge about the subject than actual truth. (Are you a therapist? Have you read the book?) I don't mind people countering with facts, but personal insults and actual mistruths don't benefit anyone.
Are you claiming she didn't lose the weight? Are you claiming, she isn't enjoying a new relationship with food and that others can't enjoy it either? Why is this approach to food such a threat to you or your psyche? I appreciate we all fear failure and returning to our unhealthy selves that needed surgery to become healthy, but I hope we can support each other in their processes rather than insult and make even more difficult to accomplish our collective goals in our individual journeys.
I don't know you, and I assume you are a great person, but I hope we can all share our experiences, successes, and failures without being personally attacked for sharing.

I am surprised reading the many comments in direct conflict with this post. It is my experience it is what we should all be working towards. Eating "what your want, when you want" does not mean binge without consequence, rather it means listening to your body and trust it to tell you what you need or want when and how much. Our bodies have amazing and complex feedback loops, but all of us spent years ignoring them and eating for emotional reasons, not physical ones. Relearning to listen and to trust your feedback loops is the ideal state of being. A constant diet mentality with or without surgery is not healthy or ideal, and statistically speaking won't work. I also realize learning to listen to your feedback loops and not your emotions is a difficult transition that should not be attempted when in the weight loss phase, but to maintain that phase I think it is essential.

I am surprised reading the many comments in direct conflict with this post. It is my experience it is what we should all be working towards. Eating "what your want, when you want" does not mean binge without consequence, rather it means listening to your body and trust it to tell you what you need or want when and how much. Our bodies have amazing and complex feedback loops, but all of us spent years ignoring them and eating for emotional reasons, not physical ones. Relearning to listen and to trust your feedback loops is the ideal state of being. A constant diet mentality with or without surgery is not healthy or ideal, and statistically speaking won't work. I also realize learning to listen to your feedback loops and not your emotions is a difficult transition that should not be attempted when in the weight loss phase, but to maintain that phase I think it is essential.

I have now done surgery twice. First was successful, but I had the band removed and I lived my ultimate fear too and gained all my weight back.

Had you asked me after I lost my weight and kept it off with the band, my comments would mirror your, no real emotional damage, I just like to eat.

But after gaining the weight back, it changed my perspective and mind. I got issues, and unless I discover them I am screwed.
My second surgery was this past November and it too has been successful. But I am much more focused on my relationship with food rather than just the weight loss like I did the first go around.
I don't think you can get to our big sizes and still be able to claim, I don't have issues. While I believe you that you have not yet identified any issue, I think that is your challenge to discover in this process or you are in danger of 1- not losing 2- not keeping it off 3- being miserable because you can't have what you have given yourself in abundance- Food.

My advise is continue down the path and keep your mind as open as possible so you can identify your issues.

I am surprised reading the many comments in direct conflict with this post. It is my experience it is what we should all be working towards. Eating "what your want, when you want" does not mean binge without consequence, rather it means listening to your body and trust it to tell you what you need or want when and how much. Our bodies have amazing and complex feedback loops, but all of us spent years ignoring them and eating for emotional reasons, not physical ones. Relearning to listen and to trust your feedback loops is the ideal state of being. A constant diet mentality with or without surgery is not healthy or ideal, and statistically speaking won't work. I also realize learning to listen to your feedback loops and not your emotions is a difficult transition that should not be attempted when in the weight loss phase, but to maintain that phase I think it is essential.

Wow- Surprised someone with 8000 posts who is a "bariatric legend" would be so forthcoming with personal attacking and questioning one's integrity? Is that ok if they don't match your own philosophy or personal plan?
For your information, many therapists use intuitive eating for all types of eating disorders including compulsive eating and food addictions. While it may be easy for you to make ignorant claims of "unethical," it only represents your own limited knowledge about the subject than actual truth. (Are you a therapist? Have you read the book?) I don't mind people countering with facts, but personal insults and actual mistruths don't benefit anyone.
Are you claiming she didn't lose the weight? Are you claiming, she isn't enjoying a new relationship with food and that others can't enjoy it either? Why is this approach to food such a threat to you or your psyche? I appreciate we all fear failure and returning to our unhealthy selves that needed surgery to become healthy, but I hope we can support each other in their processes rather than insult and make even more difficult to accomplish our collective goals in our individual journeys.
I don't know you, and I assume you are a great person, but I hope we can all share our experiences, successes, and failures without being personally attacked for sharing.

I am surprised reading the many comments in direct conflict with this post. It is my experience it is what we should all be working towards. Eating "what your want, when you want" does not mean binge without consequence, rather it means listening to your body and trust it to tell you what you need or want when and how much. Our bodies have amazing and complex feedback loops, but all of us spent years ignoring them and eating for emotional reasons, not physical ones. Relearning to listen and to trust your feedback loops is the ideal state of being. A constant diet mentality with or without surgery is not healthy or ideal, and statistically speaking won't work. I also realize learning to listen to your feedback loops and not your emotions is a difficult transition that should not be attempted when in the weight loss phase, but to maintain that phase I think it is essential.

I have now done surgery twice. First was successful, but I had the band removed and I lived my ultimate fear too and gained all my weight back.

Had you asked me after I lost my weight and kept it off with the band, my comments would mirror your, no real emotional damage, I just like to eat.

But after gaining the weight back, it changed my perspective and mind. I got issues, and unless I discover them I am screwed.
My second surgery was this past November and it too has been successful. But I am much more focused on my relationship with food rather than just the weight loss like I did the first go around.
I don't think you can get to our big sizes and still be able to claim, I don't have issues. While I believe you that you have not yet identified any issue, I think that is your challenge to discover in this process or you are in danger of 1- not losing 2- not keeping it off 3- being miserable because you can't have what you have given yourself in abundance- Food.

My advise is continue down the path and keep your mind as open as possible so you can identify your issues.

This!!! This was beautifully said. What works for her is great. What works for you is great! I agree, starting out, we should all adhere to the doc/nut rules and sound nutritional advice till maintenance. Her way, your way, my way does not mean it's the ONLY way. I want everyone to understand that. There are many ways...if you're KEEPING IT OFF, then stick to YOUR way. Don't push and shove someone else because it's not what you're doing. It is truly each to his/her own!!!

I have now done surgery twice. First was successful, but I had the band removed and I lived my ultimate fear too and gained all my weight back.

Had you asked me after I lost my weight and kept it off with the band, my comments would mirror your, no real emotional damage, I just like to eat.

But after gaining the weight back, it changed my perspective and mind. I got issues, and unless I discover them I am screwed.
My second surgery was this past November and it too has been successful. But I am much more focused on my relationship with food rather than just the weight loss like I did the first go around.
I don't think you can get to our big sizes and still be able to claim, I don't have issues. While I believe you that you have not yet identified any issue, I think that is your challenge to discover in this process or you are in danger of 1- not losing 2- not keeping it off 3- being miserable because you can't have what you have given yourself in abundance- Food.

My advise is continue down the path and keep your mind as open as possible so you can identify your issues.

So I went again for my second visit and I've lost a total of 14lbs. Yay me!!!! The visit was alot better this go around. So I was pleased.

I am surprised reading the many comments in direct conflict with this post. It is my experience it is what we should all be working towards. Eating "what your want, when you want" does not mean binge without consequence, rather it means listening to your body and trust it to tell you what you need or want when and how much. Our bodies have amazing and complex feedback loops, but all of us spent years ignoring them and eating for emotional reasons, not physical ones. Relearning to listen and to trust your feedback loops is the ideal state of being. A constant diet mentality with or without surgery is not healthy or ideal, and statistically speaking won't work. I also realize learning to listen to your feedback loops and not your emotions is a difficult transition that should not be attempted when in the weight loss phase, but to maintain that phase I think it is essential.

I find it ironic in this thread how I see the same attitude towards intuitive eating, as many people express who are opposed to bariatric surgery. ..!!!!
So I guess maybe all our friends and families were right who were against us having surgery. (Never mind the success we are experiencing from surgery, because it doesn't fit in their world or belief system. Maybe we should ignore our results until they are ready to accept them.)
Or we can continue to search for truth and apply it appropriately when it is discovered. For those of you who are no longer broken with your relationship with food, this post doesn't apply to you. For those of us who need to develop more life skills in relationship to their food, this might help.
Creating extreme examples of failure is like posting every person who failed after surgery and then claiming, "surgery is not the answer", knowing many people succeed as well.

We all quickly learn and say surgery doesn't fix the brain, but if you DARE RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT MIGHT, this forum has no room for that. All your examples exemplify people with dysfunctional relationship with food and their bodies. While we all have that common past to one degree or another, I hope to have a different common future.

It's been a little over two months since surgery and I couldn't be happier!!! Best thing I have ever done!!! Down 55lbs!!! I feel alive again.

I havent had time to do a new video been so busy. I did just get back from Vegas and California. I ate like **** for 7 straight days and lost 10 lbs......Im down to 233....I guess the revers diet is what I needed to break the stall. The shorts i have on in the picture were skin tight last summer and barely buttoned, shows how dramatic of a weight loss I have had in just 4 months post op. I do have some flabby skin around my naval but not as bad as I anticipated. Currently I am several pounds away from my goal weight of 225 and may try to get a little lighter . Im down from a 47 waist to a 39 down from 38% body fat to 24% and a 42 BMI to a 32 BMI

Same, Keto has it merits to brake the carb cravings, but diminished returns after that.

The assumption here is assuming the same body type for everyone. I have a very large frame, and even if I had 10% body fat, puts me at a BMI of 29. I really don't care about BMI as it is such a non-unique way to determine ideal weight it just doesn't matter to me. I just want to be healthy and fit, I can careless about what weight or BMI that ends up being.

Great work!

Great work!

Wanted to update- i weighed myself today out of curiosity. I haven't in months. I have actually lost a few pounds since I really committed to Intuitive Eating full force and since the last time I weighed myself. I weigh exactly what I wish to weigh.
So there ya go! Do what you will but there is a life beyond dieting forever. I am the proof.
Me today. Today I ate a breakfast sandwich, a bite of chocolate croissant, some icee of my kids, a goat cheese chicken salad, a glass of wine, a cheeseburger, 2 Mai thais, and an egg sandwich and a cookie.

The point isn't to ignorantly assume everyone is ready for intuitive eating, or the transformation is an easy one to make for anyone with food issues. But to me, it provides hope that people with my same issues have found a path to get to a more complete and healthy relationship with food beyond what surgery provides. No one is asking anyone to stop what they are doing if it is working, but many people cannot sustain the "eternal diet" mentality for several years post op, and still enjoy life or success. (I also recognize. others can and do find freedom in it.) So I Celebrate any approach that success and happiness can be reached for those who seek it.

I have been in Ketosis for several weeks by keeping my net carbs under 30 grams a day. Seems to work well by eliminating hunger from my day to day life.
Just curious how many others are doing Keto as well?
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