Hammer_Down

All Dressed and ketchup chips are the 2 most notable missing items from most US shelves.
Philadelphia also makes special chip dips (not just flavoured cream cheeses) that for some reason are MIA.
And Smarties. No, M&Ms are not the same thing.

@@Who'sThere Sex was the very last thing on my mind post-op, for sure. Between the diarrhea, the burping, the gas and gas pains...I felt sexier after giving birth than after WLS
I join you in throwing the BS flag!

@@ShelterDog64
Yes, yes! By George, she's got it! I think she's got it!
Seriously though, this whole thread is a mind %#*&. Can't help but feel like we're being trolled here.

I've been here 5 years longer than you.

Just you wait. I'm coming for you!!

I'm thrilled you are doing well. I don't remember questioning your decisions, your methods, or your dietary decisions.
I'm seriously not sure where you got the impression that anything "bothers" me about another's decision to have surgery.

Wait, whuuuuuuut?

There is a BIG difference between creating your own path by eating what you choose to eat on/off plan both pre and post op and eating something that could potentially cause serious health risks 3 or 5 days post op.
I really don't give a rat's patoot if you choose to eat a cupcake, a pizza, a taco or an entire pan of brownies if you so desire once you are cleared for all foods. That said, I am certainly not going to help you justify that behavior, especially if you know it's a poor choice and you are looking for permission to make said choices.

If you are on liquids or mushies and eating pork chops and swedish fish and come here looking for validation or a stamp of approval? It's probably not going to happen.
If it's working for you, AWESOME! I can make poor choices, too, at 3.5 years out because I learned good habits along the way by sticking to my doc's PRESCRIBED diet.
But that's just me. It says so in my signature.

It still says pre-op on your profile, how far out are you? You didn't specify your starting weight, but it sounds like you are on the lighter end of the spectrum? The reason why it's so important to clarify things is because there are a lot of people who just read posts and those "eat what you want" posts might be the only info they want to hear.
You know, like "she eats cupcakes and pizza, so I can too". Some only choose and pick the posts they like, like an addict. They choose to ignore the fact that you barfed on certain foods when most of us would have still been on soft foods. They want permission to make bad choices, because you did also, not taking into account their personal food plan.
I'm happy if it works for you forever, but keep in mind that what works for you, might be very destructive to someone else. I wouldn't want to risk my post being read like a permission to go for whatever you like, whenever you feel like it. That's why all of us have our own guidelines from our surgeons, in addition to support to making good choices. That support should be according to general food plans, just to be on the safe side.
Nilla

@@Tootsietoes So, if you're 600 lbs, there IS a one-size-fits-all solution, but not if you're 300 lbs. Got it.
And if I'm not mistaken, you just produced a gorgeous example of the straw man fallacy. Congratulations, you managed to both create a fallacious argument AND oppose it all in one comment! Bravo!
@@Hammer_Down ...I got it right, no?

My $.02:
In our society, we choose who we will go through life with. Our marriages are not arranged, we do not receive divine intervention from a higher power that pushes us together with anyone. Only we choose who will walk beside us in life, and eventually death.
The second it occurred to me that my chosen partner in life was secretly hoping I would fail for the sake of winning an argument ("I told you so!") I would be choosing to walk alone. It's easier to walk on your own than to be dragging someone else along.

In fairness, your analogy of seniors picking on freshmen kinda reminds me of you just throwing millenials under the bus. Those are pretty broad assumptions to make about a generation of millions and millions of people.
As far as I can see, every generation has a fair share of arseholes, not just folks born after 1980.
This forum has 250k registered users. You managed to find 1 religious zealot who hasn't posted here for years and 1 emotionally unstable girl looking for dating advice, and you conclude there is "so so so much drama"?
We couldn't even make a 30 min sitcom with so little material.
As far as people openly making fun of newbies, I see the accusation tossed around constabtly but I haven't actually witnessed it.

All we need in this post is an audience shouting "JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!"

Actually, I thought you were talking about someone else, but I am always happy to point out hypocrisy. YOU started in with the name calling and I don't care WHO you were directing it at to be quite honest. I will guarantee you this, if someone calls someone else the foulest of names (the C word? REALLY!?!?!), tells someone that almost everyone hates them, tells a group of people to "F" off and then starts pointing fingers?
Heck yeah, I am going to call them on it.
Maybe some introspection needs to be started by you, too.

Hold up, wait a minute....
Aren't you the one who told another member of this forum that 75% of the members here hate her? Aren't you also the one who entered a political discussion, threw the first punch, dropped the "f" bomb on the rest of the participants in that conversation and then called them the C word?
I have the screen shots of it if your memory is failing.

Edited because you know what? Not even worth arguing with people like you anymore. You never see your own hypocrisy anyway.

I just read a thread over on the 'POST surgery' forum about POP. a newbie post related to drinking soda after surgery, a vet answered them and got herself torn sideways from the OP.
I feel bad because this person was QUITE obviously trying to only help, and give adequate information. For example, the OP carried on about their 'pouch' and stretching it.
The vet simply responded that a sleeve is not the same as a RNY pouch and that it really can't be stretched according to anatomical make up. Well, so much for trying to help! When I was a NOOB i was so happy to get good advice from the vets. in fact, that is how I learned the majority of the information that I needed pre-op. Obviously the other newbies couldn't give me advice based on experience, but the vets then were SO helpful (that includes many people on this forum).
So building off the other thread related to vets leaving, I look at this and totally understand why some vets have left....

Another entertaining read!
This post has it all: people rudely proclaiming how rude others are, folks who rudely exclaim "end of discussion!" as though it were up to them, insulting vets who know more about this process than any of us, and rudely making assumptions/proclamations that "everyone" ate prohibited foods during pre/post op and if we don't admit to it - we're in denial.
I actually followed my surgeon's plan. To. The. Letter. I can eat whatever I want at this stage, but I still haven't had 1 bite of junk food. I'm sure I will eventually, but I have goals and they're just more important to me at this point than anything with starchy carbs.
I'm far from a vet, but I'm already coming around less and less because of the reasons above. Every few days, for entertainment, I like to read the rants and raves.
I only joined the forum after surgery. In preop, I found all the information I could have asked for without having to ask for it. I wanted to join to share my experiences and ask for help is anything came up. Before I joined, I just searched and read the threads with helpful advice. Now that I can see the many (thousands) of posts looking for validation for bad behaviour. Even going so far (as one user here did) to accuse everyone else of the same, or lying about it - all in a desperate attempt to feel okay about it.
It was mentioned above that there is a good reason so many vets have wandered off the site, never to return.

Another entertaining read!
This post has it all: people rudely proclaiming how rude others are, folks who rudely exclaim "end of discussion!" as though it were up to them, insulting vets who know more about this process than any of us, and rudely making assumptions/proclamations that "everyone" ate prohibited foods during pre/post op and if we don't admit to it - we're in denial.
I actually followed my surgeon's plan. To. The. Letter. I can eat whatever I want at this stage, but I still haven't had 1 bite of junk food. I'm sure I will eventually, but I have goals and they're just more important to me at this point than anything with starchy carbs.
I'm far from a vet, but I'm already coming around less and less because of the reasons above. Every few days, for entertainment, I like to read the rants and raves.
I only joined the forum after surgery. In preop, I found all the information I could have asked for without having to ask for it. I wanted to join to share my experiences and ask for help is anything came up. Before I joined, I just searched and read the threads with helpful advice. Now that I can see the many (thousands) of posts looking for validation for bad behaviour. Even going so far (as one user here did) to accuse everyone else of the same, or lying about it - all in a desperate attempt to feel okay about it.
It was mentioned above that there is a good reason so many vets have wandered off the site, never to return.

If making the decisions later is difficult, make the decision earlier when your willpower is intact.
Pack lunch. Leave your wallet home and just bring your license to the gym. Never grocery shop hungry.
In terms of food, I'm the opposite of what is described: the longer i make healthy food selections (for me, that's keto) the easier it is to keep making the right selections. Cravings are nil and weight loss is a steady reward and so I have no desire or incentive to cave.

I'm over 3 years post op, no Calcium supplements, and I've never suffered from muscle cramps. Also get my labs run regularly and my Vitamin D levels are great. But I've always heard that Vitamin D is necessary for calcium absorption, not the reverse.
http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/features/the-truth-about-vitamin-d-why-you-need-vitamin-d

The best advice is to follow your surgeon's advice.

@@show1980 I think it's easy to get bored with food early on, but I kind of like the lack of variety that I can get by with, honestly. When I cook now, I'm cooking very basic protein/veg meals, with no starch included unless one of the family wants to make rice or something. Grilled chicken with sauteed kale/onions/garlic was dinner last night, tonight will be zoodles with spaghetti sauce which has turned out to be a popular Pasta stand-in. I make pork tenderloin with chard, steak with mushrooms, etc. and let them add a starch in as they want, like oven roasted potatoes/sweet potatoes or butternut squash.

3 1/2 years out here. My sleeve is just as restrictive as it was at nine months out. Slider foods don't slide with me, dense Protein overfills me, and it's rare that I can eat more than a half a cup at a sitting.
I'm no longer desperately hungry like I used to be all the time. For me, that's the best benefit.

Another entertaining read!
This post has it all: people rudely proclaiming how rude others are, folks who rudely exclaim "end of discussion!" as though it were up to them, insulting vets who know more about this process than any of us, and rudely making assumptions/proclamations that "everyone" ate prohibited foods during pre/post op and if we don't admit to it - we're in denial.
I actually followed my surgeon's plan. To. The. Letter. I can eat whatever I want at this stage, but I still haven't had 1 bite of junk food. I'm sure I will eventually, but I have goals and they're just more important to me at this point than anything with starchy carbs.
I'm far from a vet, but I'm already coming around less and less because of the reasons above. Every few days, for entertainment, I like to read the rants and raves.
I only joined the forum after surgery. In preop, I found all the information I could have asked for without having to ask for it. I wanted to join to share my experiences and ask for help is anything came up. Before I joined, I just searched and read the threads with helpful advice. Now that I can see the many (thousands) of posts looking for validation for bad behaviour. Even going so far (as one user here did) to accuse everyone else of the same, or lying about it - all in a desperate attempt to feel okay about it.
It was mentioned above that there is a good reason so many vets have wandered off the site, never to return.

Another entertaining read!
This post has it all: people rudely proclaiming how rude others are, folks who rudely exclaim "end of discussion!" as though it were up to them, insulting vets who know more about this process than any of us, and rudely making assumptions/proclamations that "everyone" ate prohibited foods during pre/post op and if we don't admit to it - we're in denial.
I actually followed my surgeon's plan. To. The. Letter. I can eat whatever I want at this stage, but I still haven't had 1 bite of junk food. I'm sure I will eventually, but I have goals and they're just more important to me at this point than anything with starchy carbs.
I'm far from a vet, but I'm already coming around less and less because of the reasons above. Every few days, for entertainment, I like to read the rants and raves.
I only joined the forum after surgery. In preop, I found all the information I could have asked for without having to ask for it. I wanted to join to share my experiences and ask for help is anything came up. Before I joined, I just searched and read the threads with helpful advice. Now that I can see the many (thousands) of posts looking for validation for bad behaviour. Even going so far (as one user here did) to accuse everyone else of the same, or lying about it - all in a desperate attempt to feel okay about it.
It was mentioned above that there is a good reason so many vets have wandered off the site, never to return.