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YOU'VE BEEN VERY, VERY BAD! YOU'RE A BAD BOY, AREN'T YOU??
Okay, I'm done.....

First off, you have a sleeve. You don't have a pouch that can stretch. The stretchy part of your stomach has been removed. Worrying about stretching your stomach is pretty unfounded.
Second, eating a lot of sugar and starches is not a good idea, but once you have done so, you are going to have a difficult time until you get the sugar out of your system. Eating sugar will set you up to crave sugar. The best thing you can do is go cold turkey and not give in to any cravings. They will go away.
Third, your post is so full of negativity. I understand your feelings, but ironically, I just came to BariatricPal to post a link to a very good article about changing negative self-talk. I think you might find it beneficial in this situation. You made a mistake. That is ok. You are not a mistake. How to kick negative self-talk to the curb
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/02/health/end-negative-self-talk/index.html
Fourth, the advice I would give is to forgive yourself, reflect on your feelings, create a plan for how you will deal with similar situations in the future, and go back to basics.
We are all human and we all make mistakes. It's what we learn from them that will help us move forward.

You don't need to be "punished". Recognizing that this is an issue is hard enough on yourself. I don't think its possible to stretch your stomach from 2 days of eating. But, you know that this isn't good. Listen to yourself. I think that we all struggle with holidays. What I would suggest is THROW IT AWAY! Get it all out of the house. Then, you wont have anything to have anything to feel bad about. Let yourself feel bad enough that you don't do it all the time, but also give yourself a little slack. We all mess up sometimes. Nothing you cant come back from. Today is a new day!

@@forgetit The rumbling and grumbling is acid. It took me a few days to figure it out but you will find that it will rumble and grumble and eating something will not make it go away and you will feel too full to eat that thing anyway.
I find that herbal tea and yogurt really helps with that sensation.
Also people on this forum are EXTREMELY helpful, positive and supportive. I wouldn't write this place off so quickly. What you are feeling is natural, heck there are some moments in the day when I feel pretty down about not being able to eat carbs, fried food etc. But this is a choice I made and I am not going to take risks with my health which is why the surgeon's nutrition plan is essential. When I am craving sugar, in my mind I also secretly think the diet is BS but that is just a silent mini tantrum moment. The feeling passes very quickly. We are human, we get emotional and now more than ever you will feel that way. You are melting away hormones that were stored in fat and you also have to in a way, let go of a crutch or comfort if that is what food meant to you.
We all have a weakness for food, this is why we are on this forum and this is why we did the surgery. It is natural to feel angry and sad in these early days but let's have a reality check moment here. The surgery is already done, its irreversible and there is no point in getting yourself worked up about it. Instead focus on the positive things. Everyday things get better and soon you will find yourself 6 months down the road and all these feelings will be a distant memory.

Thank you, Darlin'.
I'm really not an arsehole.......or not to most folks, anyway.
I try my best to be supportive around here and I really am grateful as hell for my experiences and assistance I've been given here. It's been hugely helpful.
I simply don't posses the proper social graces and filters to keep my mouth shut when I should. In person, I'm a fairly polite and easy going guy.......until I'm not. I've always appreciated the support that is real, accurate and safe. I don't see the benefit of someone validating unsafe behaviors or supporting actions that don't lead to weight loss.
I log on here to help gain perspective with weight loss and how to best benefit from weight loss surgery. For whining and self destructive stuff there is always Facebook.....plenty of folks there to tell ya its' okay to keep doing whatever you like and it'll all get better.....no effort is needed from you to improve....etc.
I could go back and read some of my early posts here and laugh my ass off at how I viewed things then. I try to keep that in mind. Everyone is at a different point in their development .......but damn, we are having or had surgery for weight loss. You expect a certain degree of commitment from us, the patients...........

I can only imagine how that went down........two Iron wills colliding.......forgedtits and the doctor (I'm seeing Arnold Swartzenaeger in this role for some reason....)
"I want a sammich dambit !!!"
"NO...just Soup for you".
"It's not fair......I should have cupcakes".
"No......Protein Powda only......now, get to the choppa".
"I want oodles of noodles and bread bowls"
"STOP with your whining"
I almost feel sorry for the surgeons.......I mean, they have the ability to change lives in a way that patients can only dream of......yet their results are held hostage by those that want to fight them every step of the way.
I simply don't understand how people make it to the surgery and have so damn little understanding of basic calories and nutrition. This stuff is taught in elementary schools. Hell, I grew up in the boonies.....where the teachers main challenge was keeping us from breeding our cousins.....yet somehow.....someway....they taught us the basic concepts of how to eat.
Sure....many, like me, turn their back on that knowledge and develop weight problems as adults. Thankfully I stayed off my cousin, though.
There is normally so much education that goes into a bariatric program that you'd expect good comprehension of the surgery and the demands that follow.
Add to the fact that she's lived through this with her husbands wls.....although a different procedure.
OP is right. It's not fair. It's not fair to the surgeon. That poor surgeon will never get the time back that she's going to spend arguing with the OP in this visit. OP already knows everything and won't be satisfied until the surgeon yields and admits that cupcakes, Cookies and pizza are in fact, great foods that will yield to a slim, trim and sexy new you.
Poor surgeon. She could be spending that time with patients that actually are receptive and willing to listen and follow.

In my program the sleeve actual has more restrictions for a longer time than bypass. You have a huge staple line that has a higher chance of leaks.
In my program your on liquids for an extra week longer and on puréed food for an additional 2 weeks longer than the bypass patients.
It really just depends on the program and the doctors opinion on how they feel about the surgery.
But like others have said. This isn't a diet. It's a lifestyle change. And "if you do what you've always done, you will get what you've always gotten"
From personal experience. Carbs got me here to begin with. I don't want to ruin this amazing opportunity I have. No matter how bad it sucks.
I just sat at Applebee's and watched everyone eat. I went home and cried. I'm a month out. I miss food. I miss meals. But at the end of the day. My life and well being is way more important to me than Pasta and carbs. This is the last resort that can change my life for the better. There is no other option after this. I can't afford to mess this up.
I can't tell u how many times I have felt like this is unfair. But what's also unfair is not fitting comfortably on a plane, wearing cute clothes that don't cost a fortune cuz they are not plus size, feeling like I have no sense of self worth, being treated differently by others because of my size, no being able to go hiking with my friends, feeling like I have to miss out on so much because my body stops me.
There's a lot of things that aren't fair but I'm slowly learning that food shouldn't be something that is "unfair" to me. I have to learn to eat to live and not live to eat.
I completely understand where you are coming from but you have to look past the "now" feelings and think of where you will be years from now living a happier healthier life.

See? See? I haven't said a word! It's a new kinder, gentler me!
*Sprinkles fairy dust on everyone and skips away*

I can give the answer my nutritionist gave. These foods are empty carbs. They will fill you temporarily, and then you will be starving again, with the additional disadvantage of a ton of carbs. In addition, with the tiny tummy, soft breads do not work so well - they tend to gum up the works, so to speak. Then sit heavy in the tummy or even get stuck - I read recently where a surgeon had to go in and remove a 'bread ball.'

Protip to the OP: This forum could be a big help to you in the coming months. So try not to piss off everybody in your first dozen posts here -- no matter how frustrated you're feeling at the moment. Nobody here actually owes you anything. It's the Internet, remember?

Boy, you are feeling pissy!

I do understand what you're saying. So cross-examine the surgeon tomorrow. Get the answers you need.
BTW, pre-op I took Ranitidine 150 mg. twice a day for GERD. But after surgery, my surgeon prescribed a much stronger antacid -- a PPI (proton pump inhibitor) called Protonix, which I took for about 4 months. It made a LOT of difference in terms of how much hunger I felt during those early months. So also ask the surgeon about giving you a PPI Rx.
Now, go out there try not to hurt anyone before you see the doctor.

I agree with the post before me. I'm three in a half months out and still don't eat rice, Pasta and bread. I'm a little scared once I put these thing back into my diet my body going to crave them more often. Plus I've read those types of food could cause your tummy to stretch. That might not be true but not going to take any chances. It's very rough at the beginning but I promise it gets easier the longer you are further out. Some of these thing you are wanting going to be a thing of the pass for you. You are changing your life style. Good luck you can do this !!!!

It is critical for both healing and weight loss that you focus on getting on your fluids and Protein. You just had major surgery. Following your surgeon's program is not optional if you want to be healthy.

I'll be the first, but not last to say: Follow the plan your surgeon gave you. Rather than trying to find shortcuts, take the time to follow the directions and change some of your old habits. It doesn't happen in 5 days. Best of luck.

I am so glad to hear you are improving.
I understand about being hesitant to take meds. I am very conservative about meds, surgery, etc. that said, I have battled depression for years, and meds can save your life.
Even if its for a short time, taking something for your depression and/or anxiety under the supervision of your medical team can have so many more benefits than drawbacks for you, I think it would be wise for you to consider it.
I hate to see you so debilitated by something that can be treated.

The days are getting a little better im not anxious alot except at night..sleeping and panic attacks are still there..i understand everyone wants to push medications but i really want to do without..have you read those side effects? I was relativelt healthy before surg blood pressure was creeping up but i knew it would get worse..but this harmone dump is the worse ..i just want to be in control again..

For me, there was so much to choose from, I couldn't pick just one area that bothered me. It all did! I had lots of plastics, but probably the arms are the most visible because I didn't have any arm Spanx. After that, the thighs were most noticeable. In clothing I look way better post plastics. Glad I had it all done.
Two undeniable truths: Things will continue to shift and shrink and you may see some improvement in skin tone you don't expect. My neck looked awful at first, and now it's only a little bad (no plastics there). Also, you can't exercise away skin. For that matter, you can't target exercise fat, either.
I have found that adding the plastic surgery was beneficial for me, not only in terms of how I look and feel about myself, but it is also additional incentive to maintain my loss. It was a difficult, painful and expensive process that is one more reminder of my commitment to myself that I am worth the work it takes to maintain. Not to mention the skin on my abdomen is so nice and tight there's no room for swelling or bloating from eating too much!

Word to the pre-ops and other newbies about problem areas and loose skin: It can all change a lot while you're losing weight. Fat and skin that you think won't ever go away will continue to shift and change until you've lost all your excess weight. You may be pleasantly surprised at what happens.
That's what happened to my mid-section. And my thighs. And even my forearms. At 14.5 months post-op, my waist is now 28.5 inches -- at 70 years of age.
Don't assume what your body will look like when you're done -- until you're done.
And then after you're through losing weight, it continues to change. That's why surgeons say to wait for body-shaping surgery until you've lost all your weight and maintained your weight for at least a year. My area's "top plastic surgeon" won't even do botox on WLS patients until a year of maintenance has passed.

My favorite topics:

Will I grow an inch for every 10 pounds I lose?

Did my doctor really perform surgery? I can still eat ...

I've only lost 50 pounds in the last 6 weeks. Why am I losing so SLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWW!?!?!?!

@@4MRB4PHOTO You are cracking me up! I'm not sure your responses are valid to be put on FAQs but will be respectfully considered!

Would love your help! I'm a project manager and can help organize the heck out of most anything but could certainly use the help with writing and editing!!

Just thought I'd post a little update. June 5, I was at my heaviest 410 pounds. I felt like DEATH...literally. I had SEVERE sciatica which caused me to go onto disability after working for YEARS...I couldn't walk. I couldn't stand. I couldn't sit. All I could do is LAY THERE and cry because of the nerve pain down my left leg and lower back. It was either back surgery or weight loss surgery. Since I also HAD high blood pressure and PCOS plus VERY obese and the severe sciatica...I thought weight loss surgery would be my best bet. Plus, healing would be 2837739354928 times harder if I were to under go back surgery at my weight. Dr's told me over and over again that losing weight may or may not help my bulging disc which was in turn causing the sciatica but I went for it and just hoped for the best. Day of surgery 9/2, I was 367 pounds (I went on a damn strict diet) and today...I am 314!!! I am also BACK AT WORK with no more sciatica pain what-so-ever!!! I'm off all meds for high blood pressure and I'm feeling fanDAMNtastic!!!!! I love the way o feel and more so, I LOVE ME. I've never been one to post pics....but here we go. Not ready for the whole "body shot" because this girl is under construction but here goes nothin!!! Top picture is day before surgery...the collage pic on left is last month and on the right is yesterday! I drink 64oz+ Water each day...and always try to get 90g of protein...even if I finish my day with a premier protein!! Alot of you girls and guys on here don't know how many of us look forward and look up to your updates and advice...@Babbs...@Elode...@InnerSurferGirl...all 3 of u girls I look up to and I cannot wait to keep on keeping on. Thank You from the bottom of my heart!!! -Vanessa

@@BLERDgirl I'm thinking that when someone asks a question that is covered under FAQs we can point that person to that topic in FAQs. If Alex makes it easy to find the FAQs section by putting it in several places in the Webpage then that increases the chance of people finding the answers themselves without having to ask.
If you find the article that you are mentioning above, please send me the link and I will be sure to include it.

My husband Roger and I are celebrating 37 years of marriage! My, how time flies. This year we have attended many receptions for newly marrieds and have admired all of the great gifts they receive. We often joke about


My husband Roger and I are celebrating 37 years of marriage! My, how time flies. This year we have attended many receptions for newly marrieds and have admired all of the great gifts they receive. We often joke about how great it would be to have a reception and invite all of our friends so we could get new stuff to replace our old worn out stuff. You know, like the toaster that only does one slice, the dull knives, and the old, “lost their fluff” towels.
Somehow after 37 years, we feel that we have earned it! Then I realized that we do have “good” knives and “good” towels and “good” china, but I have been saving them for years in the dining room and in my mother’s cedar chest.
You know, the ones I have been saving for…??? Well, that’s the thing I realized; that I didn’t really know exactly what or who I have been saving them for?? So I did it! Just the other day, I used the good towels! The good towels are bigger, softer, and even smell better than the everyday towels I have been using.
Such a silly thing, but using the good towels made me feel better about myself, and proud that I felt worthy of such a luxury. Since then, I have identified a few other little things that simply help me feel better; like keeping my car windows spot free, replacing my gunked up make up bag, getting my hair cut more often.
I don’t know about you, but I am quite convinced that my self-esteem is deeply connected to my eating and health habits. Hmm, seems that when I use the good towels, I feel better about myself and when I feel better about myself I eat less. Makes me wonder what other simple changes I might make. How about you? May I leave you with a challenge to do something special for yourself today? Something small and simple, yet something that will make you feel well and cared for. Then, see if it makes a difference in your eating habits. Come on; get out the good towels!