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Posted August 29, 2010 - 2:54 PM

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Newsweek Study: If GOP policies were adopted, we'd be much worse off economically!

Sun Aug 29, 2010 at 02:11:36 AM PDT

Hi.
I'm no diary meistro and don't really care about all that.
But I did want to link you all to a Newseek study, using CBO evaluations of 11 different proposals to create jobs and stimulate the economy.
A GOP vs Obama Administration, economic policies study comparison.

  • What they found was that if the GOP was free to apply the policies they have proposed, we would have 2.3 to something like 3.3 Million fewer jobs and a $371 Billion bigger national debt!

  • They also take down that conflating thing the GOP does non-stop, where they claim if the top tax rate is raised to 39%, it will be a jobs killer. What the CBO found is that only 2% of small business owners fall into the over $250,000 a year income level. So NO! Taxing them will NOT impact small business job creation.
Plus a host of other assessments worth slapping your local wingnut with.
Enjoy!
http://www.newsweek.com/...

Here is a slice of the assessment:
On jobs, it's a similar story. So far, Republicans have only said they'd do—or that they would've done—two large-scale things the Democrats haven't: (1) scrap the stimulus, and (2) extend the Bush tax cuts for Americans earning more than $250,000 so as not to (in Boehner's words) "impose job-killing tax hikes on families and small businesses."
How would these measures affect employment? Regarding the stimulus, the answer is pretty clear. In a report out this week, the CBO estimates that between 1.4 million and 3.3 million fewer people would be employed right now if the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act had never made it through Congress. Split the difference, and the pro-stimulus Obama moves ahead of the anti-stimulus GOP by about 2.35 million jobs. (A more dramatic estimate by the economists Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi [a McCain 2008 adviser] puts the number at 2.7 million, but we'll stick with the CBO stats for now.)

The effect of tax cuts on job creation is a little trickier to tally. Extending all of them, according to the CBO, would lower unemployment by 0.3 to 0.8 percent over the next year or so; extending them solely for people making less than $250,000 would produce a somewhat smaller effect, for a difference of roughly 200,000 to 500,000 people.

The problem, as economist William G. Gale of the Brookings Institution has noted, is that "of 11 potential stimulus policies the CBO recently examined, an extension of all of the Bush tax cuts ties for lowest bang for the buck." In fact, he continues, "letting the high-income tax cuts expire and using the money for aid to the states, extensions of unemployment insurance benefits, [or] tax credits favoring job creation ... would have about three times the impact ... as continuing the Bush tax cuts."
In addition, it's unlikely that extending the cuts for the richest Americans would have much of an effect on small-business hiring, which is a claim that Republicans make with some regularity. Why? Because of the taxpayers that report running small businesses on their taxes, only 2 percent fall into the top two income brackets.* The other 98 percent of small-business owners make less than $250,000 a year and wouldn't pay higher taxes under Obama's plan.

History isn't on the GOP's side, either. If keeping the top marginal tax rate at 35 percent—the rate under Bush, and the rate that Republicans are fighting to preserve—spurs so much hiring, why didn't America experience any job growth at all during Bush's time in office?
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Posted August 29, 2010 - 11:09 PM

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Tort reform is a non-issue in fixing the incredibly horrible health care system that we now have. It is something the Republicans have used to divert attention away from the real issues that cause Americans to keep from getting a decent health care system because they stand to gain from taking away patient's right to redress against doctors who do not practice good medicine and who kill or maim their patients.

Malpractice isn't about doctors who are good doctors or medical personnel who are doing their jobs honestly and to the best of their ability. It's about doctors who are harming patients because they are grossly negligent and not performing their jobs in a reasonably safe manner.


Posted August 30, 2010 - 9:47 AM

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Republicans are very happy to have your attention on the mosque issue or immigration in Arizona so that you don't delve too deeply into their plan to dismantle America as we know it.

They want to hand over our social security to the trustees on Wall Street - that should be comforting to all since they did such a good job with our 401(k)s. They want to repeal healthcare. By all means let's go backward on that. Let the insurance abuses continue. They want to cut spending for social programs but not defense. They want to cut off unemployment extensions while going further into debt to extend tax cuts for the top 2% of wage earners.

When we're all riding on unpaved streets in the dark because communities can't afford the upkeep of paved streets or street lights, when grandma is sleeping in your livingroom because there is no more medicaid for nursing home care, when you will have to save big bucks to send your kids to for-profit schools because public schools will be gone, we will ask ourselves how we got there.

And the answer will be because we weren't paying attention to the important issues that will impact our lives every day. And we thought the republicans would have the answers (didn't we see their answers in the disastrous 8 years of bush?) because the democrats weren't able to create 8 million jobs in 2 years. But, hey, I'm sure with all those tax cuts to the millionaires, the jobs should just start pouring in. I mean it's worked so well for the last 10 years, wouldn't you say?


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Posted August 30, 2010 - 10:58 AM

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Republicans are very happy to have your attention on the mosque issue or immigration in Arizona so that you don't delve too deeply into their plan to dismantle America as we know it.

They want to hand over our social security to the trustees on Wall Street - that should be comforting to all since they did such a good job with our 401(k)s. They want to repeal healthcare. By all means let's go backward on that. Let the insurance abuses continue. They want to cut spending for social programs but not defense. They want to cut off unemployment extensions while going further into debt to extend tax cuts for the top 2% of wage earners.

When we're all riding on unpaved streets in the dark because communities can't afford the upkeep of paved streets or street lights, when grandma is sleeping in your livingroom because there is no more medicaid for nursing home care, when you will have to save big bucks to send your kids to for-profit schools because public schools will be gone, we will ask ourselves how we got there.

And the answer will be because we weren't paying attention to the important issues that will impact our lives every day. And we thought the republicans would have the answers (didn't we see their answers in the disastrous 8 years of bush?) because the democrats weren't able to create 8 million jobs in 2 years. But, hey, I'm sure with all those tax cuts to the millionaires, the jobs should just start pouring in. I mean it's worked so well for the last 10 years, wouldn't you say?


AMEN, Cleo's!!!!!!! I'm happy to quote you on this. It can't be said too often!

Republicans have been trying to dismantle Social Security as we know it and public schools for 30 years! And they've worked long and hard to keep us from having a decent health care system for all.

Just think what would have happened if Wall Street was in charge of our Social Security dollars in the past 8 to 10 years. Like things aren't bad enough right now for people reaching retirement age! Many of us had IRAs and other accounts that were invested in Wall Street and lost our shirts. If we didn't have Social Security to fall back on, you'd be seeing aging people living on the streets in spite of the fact that they held good jobs and worked really hard all of their lives. Not that Social Security will totally keep us flush, but it might keep people from bread lines and sleeping in cardboard boxes.

I sent my kids to private schools quite a few years but I always supported the public school system. Always. I believe in it and I believe that if people want to send their kids to private schools, they can pay extra to do that.

And we as a nation should be ashamed that we don't have a universal health care system for our citizens. It's obscene that corporations and individuals are making huge profits from people being ill. They are motivated to keep Americans sick and taking every new medication they can come up with. It's a sad, sad situation.



Posted August 30, 2010 - 2:54 PM

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Washington (CNN) -- President Obama blasted Senate Republicans on Monday for blocking a small-business assistance bill, calling their opposition "pure partisan politics."
The country needs a "full-scale attack" on economic sluggishness, he said at the White House.
"While we have taken a series of measures and come a long way ... too many Americans are still looking for work, and too many communities are far from being whole again," he said.
The president also said his economic team is "hard at work" on a series of new measure designed both to spark short-term hiring and lay the foundation for long-term economic growth.
Among other things, Obama said the administration will continue to push for an extension of middle class tax cuts, new incentives for clean energy research and development, and initiatives to help rebuild infrastructure.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, released a statement immediately after Obama's remarks criticizing the president and Democratic congressional leaders for dramatically increasing the size of the national debt while doing little to restore stronger economic growth.
"Instead of growing jobs as promised, Washington Democrats have grown the size of the national debt, the federal government and the unemployment rate," McConnell said.
"It's no surprise that most Americans think the country is on the wrong track and that Democrat policies have failed to do anything to fix their top concern, the economy."
Growing economic jitters amid new signs of a slow recovery remain a top political issue in the runup to November's midterm elections.
The U.S. economy sputtered to a near stop in the second quarter, according to estimates from the government released Friday, although the slowdown wasn't as bad as many had feared.
The nation's gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic activity, was revised sharply lower to an annual growth rate of 1.6 percent in the three months ending in June. The initial reading had been for a 2.4 percent growth rate in the period.
The bill currently stuck in the Senate authorizes the creation of a $30 billion lending fund. The Treasury Department would run the program, which would deliver cheap capital to community banks, defined as those with less than $10 billion in total assets.
The idea is that community banks are the ones that do the bulk of lending to small businesses and so by pumping capital into them, it will get in the hands of Main Street businesses.
Other key components of the bill would provide $12 billion worth of tax relief for small businesses between 2010 and 2020, according to an estimate from the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The bill also increases Small Business Administration loan limits and extends loan sweeteners through the end of the year. It offers several tax cuts for small businesses, to both encourage investment and entrepreneurship.
The legislation also provides $1.5 billion in grants to state lending programs that can't rely on depleted state coffers for more cash.

This bill is paid for and doesn't add to the deficit. The republicans are always yapping about small business but when they have a chance to vote for this bill they don't. More evidence that they just want the economy to get worse to improve their chances in November. How very sad that some will be duped to voting for these people.

And to Mitch - I have this to say: This is the best you've got? Pres. Obama slams you for holding up this bill even for a vote and all you can do is say the democrats have increased the deficit? Hey, Mitch, why don't you tell us how much the deficit will increase with that unnecessary tax cut for the rich you support? Huh? What's that I hear? The silence is deafening.


Posted August 30, 2010 - 9:21 PM

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Finally a rally for the rest of us:

IMPORTANT: October 2nd: A DC March for US! (With some more info)

Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 03:56:53 PM PDT

How many of us have been saying, "Where is our giant DC rally?"
My fellow Kossacks, I have the answer.
I was surfing around my union's web page (uft.org) and I see this little "Action Alert": March in Washington on Oct. 2!
Huh? Really?
Well, I click the link and sure enough, finally, it seems there is a real, meaningful DC march and rally for us- the normal people. No promises of miracles, no overpriced gold coins, no stealing and distortion of our nation's heritage. A rally for what this country is really about.
More over the jump.

  • This is the first I've heard of this, so if it has been diaries before, my apologies. There is to be a press conference on Broadway on Wednesday, at Bowling Green. (The Bull Statue.)
Under the title of One Nation Working Together, this event has a big list of sponsors:
Some of the big ones: The AFL-CIO, the NAACP, SEIU, PowerPAC.org, Green for All, The Leadership Conference, and several dozen more.
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Posted August 30, 2010 - 9:25 PM

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arcisus don't you read the paper listen to news and radio talk. the reps say it all the time they have wanted him to fail and have stated many many times publicly. she is right on the money here.


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Posted August 30, 2010 - 9:28 PM

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Man would I love to go to that march! I just cannot take any more time off right now no matter what. I would dearly love to though.


Posted August 31, 2010 - 8:33 AM

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It looks like this November the voters will reward those who got us in this economic mess - the republicans - and punish those who are digging us out of it - the democrats.

Fine. Then the republicans will own the problems and the day after they are sworn in I will develop these voters' mindset. But I will be more patient. Instead of expecting 8 million jobs to be created by January 21, 2009 like they did with Pres. Obama, I will give the republicans until February 1, 2011.


Posted August 31, 2010 - 9:39 AM

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I just saw a poll that said 59% of Americans think Sarah Palin would be ineffective as president. Really? Then why would they vote for republicans this November? Because there isn't a molecule of difference between her views/agenda and the republican's.


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